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"I look at you all see the love there that's sleeping while my guitar gently weeps. I Look at the floor and I see it needs sweeping still my guitar gently weeps. I don't know why nobody told you how to unfold your love. I don't know how someone controlled you they bought and sold you. "
~ Lyrics to "While my guitar gently Weeps" After meeting on the set of A Hard Day's Night, Pattie married George Harrison on January 21, 1966, during the heyday of his group, The Beatles. Harrison's friend Eric Clapton, first of The Yardbirds, then of Cream, also fell in love with her. Pattie went on to divorce Harrison on June 9, 1977, and later marry Clapton on March 27, 1979. She and Clapton divorced in June 1988.

Harrison and Clapton worked together on While my guitar gently Weeps, a thinly disguised reference to the tragic love triangle between Pattie Boyd and the two guitarists. The lyrics are available at at Lyrics Freak.

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April 10

In 1970, Beatles member Paul McCartney held a press conference to formally deny rumors that the group, which had suffered from disarray for some time, was disbanding.

The Beatles would remain together until the murder of John Lennon on December 8, 1980, and the three survivors would perform together for a final time at Lennon's funeral. Sales for their memorial performance would equal those of any of the group's prior releases.

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July 6



Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Lennon and McCartney had never met? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the March 2013 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 1957, on the way to the St. Peter's Church Rose Queen garden fete in Woolton, Liverpool, the flatbed lorry carrying the Quarrymen skiffle group breaks down.

Big Breakthrough in WooltonAfter changing the name from the Blackjacks twelve months earlier, they had been playing at parties, school dances, cinemas and amateur skiffle contests. The line-up comprised John Lennon and several friends from Quarry Bank High School in Liverpool.

His mother, Julia Lennon, had taught her son to play the banjo and then showed Lennon and Eric Griffiths how to tune their guitars in a similar way to the banjo, and taught them simple chords and songs. Despite the lorry's breakdown John had a good feeling about that fateful day, and he wasn't to be disappointed. Because as they waited to hitch a ride back to Liverpool, he came up with a nifty set of chords. Griffiths then started to hum some catchy lyrics. It was the beginning of a breakthrough that the band desperately needed. They never looked back, and this minor transportation difficulty turned out to be the making of them. Because The Quarrymen had played their final small-time gig.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in reality at the fete John Lennon met Paul McCartney and the pop music revolution began. This article is based on an original idea at Good Reads


Readers Comment Chris Oakley commented on 2013-02-12 01:42:08 ~ A 60s music scene without "Yellow Submarine"? That's a scary thought.

Readers Comment Robbie Taylor commented on 2013-02-12 13:26:18 ~ And Pete Best's magnificent solo career just began earlier...

Readers Comment Jackie Rose commented on 2013-02-13 01:28:26 ~ Of course, John Lennon might still be alive.

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2013-02-13 01:55:58 ~ Rock might have died out without the Beatles and the British Invasion. It was showing signs of termites in the foundation in the early 1960s...

Readers Comment Sailorbarsoom commented on 2013-02-13 05:27:12 ~ I'm not showing this to my GF. A world without the Beatles in general and Paul McCartney in particular would be too horrible for her to contemplate.



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September 7



Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if the sociological data presented in Brown vs Board of Education had been more closely examined by the Supreme Court? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the June 2011 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 1953, under cross examination the sociologist Kenneth Clark reluctantly released additional statistical data which disproved the arguments of the NAACP plaintiffs and forced the collapse of the civil rights case in Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka.

Doll StudiesThe "separate but equal" precedent of the 1896 Plessy vs Ferguson ruling made it extremely difficult for the NAACP to argue that segregated schooling (which existed by law throughout the southern states) was unconstitutional. By claiming that the separate facilities for black and white schoolchildren were in fact equal southern states achieved paper compliance with the demands of the Fourtheenth Amendment that all citizens must be extended equal protection of the law.

I may have used the word "crap" ~ NAACP lawyer Jack B. Weinstein [commenting on the Doll Studies]Instead the NAACP sought to counter this arguement by demonstrating the injustice of the "separate but equal" precedent using sociological evidence that segregated schooling had a profoundly negative effect on black self-esteem. That evidence was drawn from a series of studies conducted in segregated southern schools which revealed that when black students were shown a white doll and a black doll a majority indicated a preference for the white doll.

Yet the published evidence excluded data from Kenneth Clark's own research in Massachusetts which revealed that black children in integrated school were even more likely to choose the white doll. This information was not volunteered to the Court, but forced out under cross examination.


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Readers Comment Allen W. McDonnell commented on 2011-06-05 10:37:56 ~ The sad reality of it is inner city schoolchildren of all ethnic groups are now doing very poorly compared to what they were learning back in 1953. Segregation is not the optimum solution, however gender divided classrooms do seem to work better even in co-ed schools.

Readers Comment Stan Brin commented on 2011-06-05 11:15:46 ~ Irrelevant. The case was based on the equal protection clause, and Earl Warren was not going to let this one pass. He even went to a hospital to obtain the ninth signature from an ill justice to make it 9-0. Besides, this scenario doesn't tell us if the case was lost at trial, on appeal, or at the Supreme Court -- testimony can only be offered at trial.

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2011-06-05 11:18:58 ~ Inner city kids are doing poorly in large measure because rather than accept desegregation millions of white parents stampeded for the exits, fleeing to the (then practically all-white) suburbs and taking their tax dollars with them. This left inner-city schools chronically starved for funding, with predictable results. And as I understand it, gender-divided schools work better in some ways for girls, but not necessarily for boys.

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2011-06-05 13:31:11 ~ Another approach would have been to prove that schools for blacks were not, in fact, equal---which would have been extremely easy to do.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2011-06-06 16:24:09 ~ Getting such press on the social programming of majority race would be a huge boon for the separatism movements like those of Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam, perhaps even enough to fuel political pushes.



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January 16



Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if The Seekers had disbanded in 1965? muses Mike McIlvain Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the January 2013 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 1964, The Seekers were found in the UK, and lead singer Judith Durham rocketed to be a top recording star for decades.

Judith Durham quits The SeekersThe Seekers became the first Australian folk/pop group to have a Top 5 single in Australia, U.K., and the USA, as "I'll Never Find Another You" became the biggest selling single in the U.K. in 1965, and went on to sell 1.75 million copies worldwide.

Durham was stolen from the group when they sailed to the UK in the mid-1960s after making so much noise with their big hit "I'll Never Find Another You". She was paired with another successful group there just forming which came to be known as The Moody Blues. Their earlier symphonic-rock sounds worked wonders with her clear voice to make Rock and Roll history.

Longing for the life she knew as the voice for The Seekers, Durham eventually left the group a few years later when The Moody Blues changed their style to a more conventional rock sound. Durham did well in solo work, and by adding Celtic-style songs to her lists, sometimes singing with The Chieftains.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in reality The Seekers stayed together and had a long string of hits, which included "A World of our Own", "Morningtown Ride", "The Carnival is Over", and "Georgy Girl". Also, Durham and musical director Ron Edgeworth were married later.


Readers Comment Jared Myers commented on 2013-01-16 17:41:38 ~ Actually, Judith married Ron Edgeworth. Fixed, thanks - Ed "Bruce Potger" doesn't exist, unless Keith Potger and Bruce Woodley somehow morphed into one individual. :-D Beyond that, a very believable portrait of how Durham's career could have gone. Her with the Chieftans? That would have been great.



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November 30



Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Nixon decided to expose the stolen 1960 election? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the June 2011 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 1960, on this day Richard Nixon's bid to expose vote rigging in Texas, Illinois, Missouri and Delaware (and thereby reverse the stolen election) received an unexpected boost when Luis Salas, the election judge in Alice, admitted that he and southern Texas political boss George Parr rigged the 1948 senatorial election of President-elect Lyndon Baines Johnson.

Landside LyndonVice President Nixon had been inclined to accept the outcome of the election for the good of the country, despite the encouragement of President Eisenhower who was convinced that a recount would expose suffficient irregularities to reverse the outcome. However reports of Johnson's record of corruption convinced Nixon that an LBJ Presidency would be a setback for the nation.

Early indications were that Congressman Johnson had lost. Six days later, however, Precinct 13 in the border town of Alice, Texas, showed a very interesting result. Exactly 203 people had voted at the last minute - in the order they were listed on the tax rolls - and 202 of them had voted for Johnson.

While Stevenson protested, Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black upheld the result, and Johnson squeaked by with an 87-vote victory. For this feat, columnist Drew Pearson gave Johnson the sobriquet "Landslide Lyndon".


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in our timeline the report emerged in 1977 four years after Johnson's death and two after Parr had killed himself. Johnson of course was the Vice President Candidate not the Presidential Candidate.


Readers Comment Robbie Taylor commented on 2011-06-09 03:07:24 ~ Ah, yes, the myth of Honorable Nixon - who let his proxies challenge the election instead of doing it himself. And, the challenges did actually reverse one state, Hawaii, which went from Nixon's column to his opponent's. Obviously, the POD in this universe was Nixon embracing ethics...

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2011-06-09 11:51:58 ~ Hm. I knew that Hawaii's vote wasn't settled until January 1961, but I hadn't known it originally went to Nixon. Live by the sword . . . ! Nixon's supporters seldom mention how many states' results he tried to overturn, preferring the myth that the 1960 presidential election was stolen in Illinois. Actually, if Illinois had gone to nixon, he'd still hve lost in the electoral college (check it out sometime). Nixon was the quintessential sore loser throoughout his life. And even if it had come out that Johnson's '48 Senate win was a fraud, so what? It would have been a propaganda coup for Nixon and a black eye for LBJ, but would have had no direct relevance to the 1960 race. Nixon would still have had to prove the 1960 vote was fixed--and in our history, despite frantic efforts, he couldn't do it.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2011-06-09 17:21:42 ~ Props to Mr. Taylor. While the election might still hold, if the scandal blew up enough, it could turn into a Watergate for LBJ.

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2011-06-09 22:17:43 ~ The difference between LBJ and Nixon is very hard to see sometimes.

Readers Comment Scott Palter commented on 2011-06-11 20:37:04 ~ Yes Illinois itself was not enough which is why this POD requires putting Texas in play as well.



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January 8



Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Elvis had lived asks Eric Lipps? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 2010, Elvis Presley, the legendary "King of Rock 'n' Roll," celebrated his 75th birthday at his Graceland manor outside Memphis, Tennessee.

Life of the King by Eric LippsPresley had narrowly survived an overdose of prescription medication on August 16, 1977, during a period when he had been experiencing a number of health problems, including what would subsequently be diagnosed as the early stages of degenerative arthritis. After that incident, he finally yielded to the pleadings of intimates, withdrawing from performance for over two years. It would later be learned that during this time the pop icon underwent a rigorous detoxification program to wean him off the painkillers to which he had become addicted.

By the spring of 1980, a reinvigorated and slimmed-down Presley would be ready to re-enter the spotlight. His singing engagements, however, would slowly be overshadowed by the star's newly aggressive political involvement: Presley would be an outspoken supporter of Ronald Reagan both that year and in 1984, and would court right-wing televangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, who in turn would use their TV ministries to promote him.

Presley was no latter-day convert to conservatism. As early as 1970 he had met privately with then-President Richard Nixon, denouncing the hippie culture and asking to be given a Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs badge to add to similar souvenirs had been collecting. He had also been outspokenly hostile to the Beatles, though whether from political motives or out of resentment at their having displaced him in the 1960s limelight is difficult to say. By 1988, however, he had moved far enough rightward to endorse Pat Robertson in that year's GOP primaries. Cynics, noting the TV preacher's promotion of Presley on his "700 Club" talk show, suggested that Presley was merely paying off a debt, but the two men's friendship was apparently genuine.

By the 1990s, however, the onetime King was ready to abdicate, this time for good. Advancing age had brought a new round of health problems, and younger performers such as Michael Jackson were displacing Presley among all but a dwindling set of aging fans. In August of 1998, Elvis formally announced his retirement. Thereafter, he would make only occasional appearances, generally as a guest on late-night talk programs, though he did briefly appear (as himself) in the 2003 feature biopic Life of the King.


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Facebook Comment Comment from Jeff Mayers on Facebook: Well, Elivis would have had as big a career as he had before surpassed only by Madonna and Michael Jackson...essentially, nothing much would have chaneged except Elvis would have had more songs in his body of work and he would have been in better health.

Facebook Comment Comment from Lee Finney on Facebook: I only hope he wouldn't be doing duets with lame-ass Idol winners

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2010-01-09 07:06:04 ~ It would have helped a lot, methinks, if he'd gotten rid of "Colnel" Tom Parker...that man always reminded me of a con-man of the sort that W.C. Fields used to play.

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2010-01-09 22:03:24 ~ The way I picture it, Elvis would have quietly faded into retirement without there being the sense that he had "died too soon." The world at large might not have been much different, though.



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January 31



Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if JRR Tolkien had warmed to the idea of LOTR starring the Beatles? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This article has been posted using the fair use principle based on an original idea in the Peter Jackson Video and the io9 Article

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In 1968, on this day the weirdest unrealized Beatle movie project became a psychedelic reality with the nation-wide release of the Stanley Kubrick-directed film "Lord of the Rings".

Lord of the RingoThe live-action version featured an choice of casting that in an odd kind of way reflected the natures of the musicians, with Paul McCartney as Frodo Baggins, Ringo Starr as Sam Gamgee, George Harrison as Gandalf, and John Lennon as Gollum.

Due to their megastar status, the band managed to entice a number of talented actors - most notably Peter Sellers - to provide a semblance of balance to the movie. As a result of this level of mainstream interest, plans to shoot cartoon voice overs for "Magical Mystery Tour" and the "Yellow Submarine" were scrapped in favour of an even more ambition project than LOTR: an adaptation of "The Lion, the Witch and Wardrobe" to be shot during 1969.
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Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2011-01-31 02:40:52 ~ *picturing this movie* *running screaming into the night* John Lennon as Gollum? That would be funny, at least... Without CGI and modern special-effects technology, it'd have been much, much harder to do. I hear you. I've visited Paul McCartneys child hood house. Theres a funny story that JL visited as a teenager and McCarthneys mother (being some posher) wheeled our a cake trolley and JL asked for "some crumpet". Steve

Readers Comment Stan Brin commented on 2011-01-31 02:42:06 ~ Oh, Jeesh -- And Mick Jagger as Sarumon? And Tiny Tim as Golem?

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2011-01-31 19:01:38 ~ It would be terrible with costumes and puppets, but a cult classic that I, for one, would watch over and over. Hope it didn't interfere too much with Clockwork Orange coming out in '71.



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May 30



Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if the pioneer aerospace engineer and lead Soviet rocket engineer Sergei Pavlovich Korolev had lived for three more years? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 1934, the first human being to set foot on the Moon Soviet cosmonaut Alexey Arkhipovich Leonov was born on this day in the small settlement of Listvyanka in the Kemerovo Oblast.

MoonshotThe former Air Force Major General was selected for this signature honour in part because of the outstanding courage he had demonstrated in conducting the first very space walk on 18 March 1965. His spacesuit had inflated in the vacuum of space to the point where he could not re-enter the airlock. He opened a valve to allow some of the suit's pressure to bleed off, and was barely able to get back inside the capsule.

The other reason for his selection was the tragic accidental death of Yuri Alekseyevich Gagarin on 27 March 1968, seven years after he became the first human being to journey into outer space, when his Vostok spacecraft completed an orbit of the Earth.

But in a larger sense, the triumphant conclusion of the Soyuz Programme was due to the genius of the leading rocket engineer and designer of the Soviet Union, Sergey Korolyov. Unbeknown to the rest of the world, Korolyov had his own brush with death on 5 January 1966 when after being admitted to hospital with a bleeding polyp in his large intestine a surgeon's incompetence induced a second, and near fatal cardiac arrest.

If the Soviet Union had scored a triple set of firsts in the Space Race, then surely the United States had to score next time, and big. Nothing less than a mission to Mars would enable America to take the lead in the space race.

This strategic objective fired the imagination of California Governor Ronald Wilson Reagan as he stared at the stars on the fateful night that Leonov landed on the Moon. He was a man who believed in cutting through the obfusication to arrive at an action item. His achievement in winning the Space Race, and in so doing bankcrupting the Soviet Union into losing the Cold War, would ensure that "the Gipper" became not only the greatest President in US History but also the fifth face on Mount Rushmore.

A cowboy, said the Ayatollah dismissively, a crazy, crazy old space cowboy yahooing it around outer space. Perhaps some space indians might turn up and save humanity from the Great Satan..


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Readers Comment Mike commented on 2011-05-08 02:20:22 ~ Hmmm what if?

Readers Comment Stan Brin commented on 2011-05-08 02:20:22 ~ But the Soviets appeared to have lacked the scientific and financial infrustructure needed to have landed a man on the moon. They tried to design a system, and mockups of a moon lander, but realized that they just didn't have a viable system. Perhaps if they tried, they would have bankrupted themselves sooner... A thought.

Readers Comment Robbie Taylor commented on 2011-05-08 04:21:07 ~ So Johnson finally did have to go to bed by the light of a communist moon, after all...

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2011-05-08 05:22:02 ~ Would Soviet technology have been up to it? I've read that US astronauts who saw what the Sovs were using came back raving about the insane courage needed to ride those buckets of bolts into space...

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2011-05-08 12:56:14 ~ 1934???? 1934 is the birth date of the cosmonaut The Soviets almost certainly could have put a man on the moon by perhaps 1973, though theirs would have been a riskier flight than ours were (and even two of our Apollos had problems, Apollo I a fatal launchpad fire and Apollo 13 the lightning strike which caused damage which almost prevented the crew from coming home alive). But once we'd beaten them there, political support for continuing the effort dried up. The death of the Soviet Union's master rocketeer Sergei Koreolev didn't help them either. The question is, what next? The U.S. could have continued its own wffort with the avowed goal not merely of reaching the moon but of establishing permanent settlements there.

Readers Comment Chris Oakley commented on 2011-05-08 17:45:40 ~ They should have sent Gagarin to Mars instead...it IS the Red Planet, after all. :D

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2011-05-08 18:44:09 ~ It'd take a gang as crazy as the Americans to hit Mars in an attempt to one-up finally. A time-traveler could use this to advantage to further space colonization.

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2011-05-09 01:10:05 ~ Re the response to my earlier comment: my bad about "1934." Sorry.

Readers Comment Todayinah Ed. commented on 2011-05-09 04:38:43 ~ Comment from Insane Ranter on Google Groups: Race for the first colonies on the Moon and landing on mars plus colonies



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June 7



Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Plessy v. Ferguson ruling had had followed a Douglas Presidency? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 1892, a black railroad passenger, Homer Plessy, was arrested when he refused to vacate a "whites only" seat and move to one of the train's "black" cars.

Plessy v. FergusonPlessy's arrest led to a legal challenge to a Louisiana statute mandating "separate but equal" accommodations which reached the Supreme Court as Plessy v. Ferguson. The Court's ruling in that case struck down the Louisiana statute, citing the earlier decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857) which declared that the framers of the Constitution had never contemplated treating blacks as the legal equals of whites.

The decision in the Plessy case angered not only blacks but also the railroad companies, which had supported Plessy's suit because they were unhappy with the expense of maintaining separate cars for blacks. Southern whites, however, were pleased: they had threatened secession in 1860 when it appeared that Abraham Lincoln of the Republican Party, a successor to the moribund Whigs associated with opposition to Negro slavery, would be elected president; only the electoral compromise of that year which instead placed Democrat Stephen A. Douglas in the White House persuaded secession advocates to back down. A new story by Eric LippsAs the years had passed, though, the pressure to end slavery had continued while an increasing number of states had passed laws similar to Louisiana's which, at least in theory, allowed blacks access to "separate, but equal" facilities aboard trains and in such public facilities as theaters, schools and libraries.

In practice, such facilities usually proved more separate than equal. But the very idea of blacks, even free blacks, of whom Louisiana in particular possessed a significant number, being entitled to privileges similar to those of whites infuriated many of the latter, and not only in the South. While by the time of Plessy's arrest and lawsuit tensions had not risen to the same point as in 1860, there was a growing so-called "Real America" movement dedicated to overturning such laws and kicking out of office legislators who had voted for them and judges who had ruled in their favor. The decision in Plessy took some of the steam out of the "Real Americans", who turned their attention primarily to opposing immigration, particularly from Asia and Eastern Europe.

Plessy did not lay to rest forever the issue of Negro equality. By 1910, every state but Mississippi had individually abolished slavery (Mississippi would finally do so in 1933, by which time there would be fewer than a thousand slaves in that state anyway), and a nationwide organization the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, had emerged to call for constitutional amendments formally granting blacks full legal equality with whites, including voting rights. White resistance to greater rights for blacks continued, however, fueling the rise of such groups as the Cyclops Legion, which favored costumes consisting of pure-white robes and hoods bearing a stylized eye on the forehead. The Legion and its many imitators called themselves patriots and protectors of "the American way of life", but carried out that mission by terrorizing and sometimes brutally killing "uppity" blacks and troublesome white "radicals". In 1915, silent-film mogul D. W. Griffith would deliver a tremendous boost to such groups with his movie Defending a Nation, which depicted them as heroes; the Cyclops Legion would grow to an estimated membership of two million nationwide by the early 1920s before collapsing under the weight of a series of financial scandals involving its leaders, who had grown rich marketing Legion costumes and paraphernalia1.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, (1) in our history, the Ku Klux Klan would be revived after Griffith's similar Birth of a Nation, lauding the Confederacy and the Reconstruction-era Klan, came out, and would likewise be crippled by financial scandals in the 1920s.


Readers Comment Robbie Taylor commented on 2011-06-08 05:04:27 ~ I think there's a mistake in the third paragraph - this decision shouldn't anger the blacks and the railroads, nor please whites, unless you meant to say in the second paragraph that the decision upheld rather than struck down "separate but equal"

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2011-06-08 06:04:36 ~ I don't think _Dred Scott vs. Sandford_ would apply here, but I'm no lawyer

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2011-06-08 12:18:44 ~ No mistake. Plessy v. Ferguson in our timeline overturned the 1857 Dred Scott decision, which had decreed blacks were entitled to no rights under the Constitution, and established the principle that under the Fourteenth Amendment blacks were entitled to separate but equal treatment. In this timeline, the Court's alternate decision upholds Dred Scott and says, in effect, that states are forbidden to mandate that blacks be provided equal, even though separate, accommodations. Hence, the striking down of the Louisiana "separate but equal" statute actually works against blacks. It's a measure of how much the world has changed that separate-but-equal seems reactionary now; in the 1890s, it was actually a liberal decision, by comparison with Dred Scott v. Sandford. As for the railroads, their motivation for backing Plessy was different: not so much to treat blacks as equals to whites but to save money by not having to provide "separate but equal" cars for blacks. They'd have been perfectly happy to be allowed to provide separate and UNequal accommodations, as this ruling allows. (They did it anyway, as much as they could get away with.) Their anger would have arisen, in this case, from having spent money on a losing cause, something to which they weren't accustomed in the late nineteenth century. I imagine they'd have gotten over their pique once they realized the implications of the (alternate) Plessy ruling. In our history, that was what they, and other sectors of society including the public education system, got away with in practice for decades after Plessy, honoring the letter but not the spirit of the decision, with the result that Plessy oitself would eventually be challenged and overturned. In the alternate history, the Court's decision, by upholding Dred Scott, gave legal sanction to what in our own was done anyway--perverting Homer Plessy's intentioon in suing in the first place.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2011-06-08 15:26:03 ~ Nice TL. It might smooth the horrors of post-Reconstruction, but there'll still be plenty of racial struggle.

Readers Comment Stan Brin commented on 2011-06-08 21:15:11 ~ Interesting.



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May 18



Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Plessy v. Ferguson ruling had followed a Douglas Presidency? muses Eric Lipps. Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 1896, on this day the United States Supreme Court ruled in the case of Plessy v. Ferguson.

Plessy v. FergusonFour years earlier a black railroad passenger, Homer Plessy, was arrested when he refused to vacate a "whites only" seat and move to one of the train's "black" cars. His arrest led to a legal challenge to a Louisiana statute mandating "separate but equal" accommodations which reached the Supreme Court as Plessy v. Ferguson. The Court's ruling in that case struck down the Louisiana statute, citing the earlier decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857) which declared that the framers of the Constitution had never contemplated treating blacks as the legal equals of whites.

The decision in the Plessy case angered not only blacks but also the railroad companies, which had supported Plessy's suit because they were unhappy with the expense of maintaining separate cars for blacks. Southern whites, however, were pleased: they had threatened secession in 1860 when it appeared that Abraham Lincoln of the Republican Party, a successor to the moribund Whigs associated with opposition to Negro slavery, would be elected president; only the electoral compromise of that year which instead placed Democrat Stephen A. Douglas in the White House persuaded secession advocates to back down. A new story by Eric LippsAs the years had passed, though, the pressure to end slavery had continued while an increasing number of states had passed laws similar to Louisiana's which, at least in theory, allowed blacks access to "separate, but equal" facilities aboard trains and in such public facilities as theaters, schools and libraries.

In practice, such facilities usually proved more separate than equal. But the very idea of blacks, even free blacks, of whom Louisiana in particular possessed a significant number, being entitled to privileges similar to those of whites infuriated many of the latter, and not only in the South. While by the time of Plessy's arrest and lawsuit tensions had not risen to the same point as in 1860, there was a growing so-called "Real America" movement dedicated to overturning such laws and kicking out of office legislators who had voted for them and judges who had ruled in their favor. The decision in Plessy took some of the steam out of the "Real Americans", who turned their attention primarily to opposing immigration, particularly from Asia and Eastern Europe.

Plessy did not lay to rest forever the issue of Negro equality. By 1910, every state but Mississippi had individually abolished slavery (Mississippi would finally do so in 1933, by which time there would be fewer than a thousand slaves in that state anyway), and a nationwide organization the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, had emerged to call for constitutional amendments formally granting blacks full legal equality with whites, including voting rights. White resistance to greater rights for blacks continued, however, fueling the rise of such groups as the Cyclops Legion, which favored costumes consisting of pure-white robes and hoods bearing a stylized eye on the forehead. The Legion and its many imitators called themselves patriots and protectors of "the American way of life", but carried out that mission by terrorizing and sometimes brutally killing "uppity" blacks and troublesome white "radicals". In 1915, silent-film mogul D. W. Griffith would deliver a tremendous boost to such groups with his movie Defending a Nation, which depicted them as heroes; the Cyclops Legion would grow to an estimated membership of two million nationwide by the early 1920s before collapsing under the weight of a series of financial scandals involving its leaders, who had grown rich marketing Legion costumes and paraphernalia1.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, (1) in our history, the Ku Klux Klan would be revived after Griffith's similar Birth of a Nation, lauding the Confederacy and the Reconstruction-era Klan, came out, and would likewise be crippled by financial scandals in the 1920s.


Google+ Comments Comment from Bill Collins on Google+ Wow. That would suggest an incredibly progressive country. One perhaps in which the southern landowners had long since given up their slaves. Or one in which some movement toward tolerance had had a huge influence.?

Readers Comment Jackie Rose commented on 2013-05-19 04:09:01 ~ This suggested to me that the South could have had slavery and "separate but equal" at the same time. The mind BOGGLES!

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2013-05-19 04:32:26 ~ Odd thing---segregation came in after slavery was abolished. Try to tell a Southern gentleman that his valet couldn't accompany him? You would be in TROUBLE.

Readers Comment John Braungart commented on 2013-05-19 11:54:25 ~ Seperate but equal applied to blacks traveling alone; that white gennelman would keep his attendant by his side, just as the "wites only" cars had black porters in them. My question is how did Plessy survive long enough to SEE his trial; I'm sure that the lads in their bedclothes would have introduced him to the short end of a rope before he got to court for being uppity.

Readers Comment Jackie Rose commented on 2013-05-19 12:50:06 ~ I also remember Mammy in "Gone with the Wind" who was as sassy and uppity as she could be...because she was a slave who had shown her devotion.

Readers Comment Mark Taylor commented on 2013-05-19 14:40:13 ~ What if the real Plessy v.Ferguson had gone the other way?

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2013-05-19 19:07:50 ~ Re Jackie Rose: It was perfectly plausible that segregation and slavery could have co-existed; the former would have been intended to isolate free blacks and maintain them in an inferior social and economic condition despite their theoretical freedom.

Readers Comment Stan Brin commented on 2013-05-19 20:37:43 ~ Slavery was generally a product of the plantation economy. By 1910, the economics of cotton and tobacco had changed, with forced manumition by plantation owners unwilling to support their workers. However, it is unlikely that domestic servants and dynasties of kept ladies would be freed in the same manner, but by 1920, these would be "negroes" in name only.



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June 4



Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Elvis Presley had fought in World War Three? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 1958, on this day in Memphis, Tennessee officers of the U.S. Army informed Gladys Love Presley that the 3rd Armored Division had listed her twenty-three year old son Elvis "missing in action" serving in combat against the Red Army in defence of the River Rhine.

Return to SenderAn unopened letter marked "Return to Sender" was also accompanied by photographs of a children's concert in which Elvis had delivered the song "Wooden Heart" in near perfect German.
Listen to "Wooden Heart"

Tragically only three months later his mother would die of hepatitis at the age of only forty-six but Elvis had survived and returned to the States at the conclusion of the Dropshot War. A great advocate of peace, he would help to rebuild a nation shattered by war. And find lifelong happiness with his wife Priscilla and daughter Lisa Marie.


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Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2011-06-04 19:29:35 ~ Fighting in a real war, up at the front lines, would have shut up a lot of Elvis' critics. And the experience might have matured him considerably...I got the impression in his later years of one of the more decadent Roman emperors; he was basically in a position where nobody dared tell him "no." Maybe the Colonel could have gone too, and died a heroic death?

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2011-06-05 00:22:20 ~ I suspect Elvis woould have been sheltered from actual combat, as other celebrities were. Ronald Reagan, for instance, never left the continental USA during World War II: his service, making propaganda films, has been described as "in costume, not in uniform." Bob Hope did better, but traveling with the USO to entertain the troops isn't the same as being one of them. Elvis would likely have gotten similar treatment at the urging of his show-business handlers.

Readers Comment Stan Brin commented on 2011-06-05 01:30:30 ~ Actually, there were a lot of combat veterans among Hollywood-types. Clark Gable was a bomber crewman. Jimmy Stewart's military career is well known, and he became one of the most respected generals in the Air Force. There were many more.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2011-06-06 16:16:06 ~ Great alt history. I wonder if he'd have a serious film career out of it, too.

Readers Comment Chris Oakley commented on 2011-11-04 15:27:03 ~ So do I.



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January 4



Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Phil Lynott had lived? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 1986, on this day Irish singer and musician Phil Lynott was released from Salisbury District Hospital in Wiltshire. Listen to Whiskey in the Jar on YouTube

The Boy is back in TownThe previous years had been dogged by drug and alcohol dependency leading to his collapse on Christmas Day 1985, at his home in Kew. He was discovered by his mother, who was unaware of his dependency on heroin. She contacted his wife Caroline Crowther, who was, and immediately knew the problem was serious. After Caroline drove him to a drug clinic at Clouds House in East Knoyle, near Warminster, he was taken to Salisbury Infirmary where he was diagnosed as suffering from septicaemia.

Fortunately this was a false alarm and a second opinion determined it to be a misdiagnosis. He recovered consciousness to speak to a mysterious visitor. No record remains of that conversation, but Phil Lynott was changed forever. He told his mother that something, something just incredible had happened to him that very day. But she knew the truth of it anyway. Hurrying to the Hospital minutes before, she had caught a glimpse of the vistors's bare feet, you see. Jesus will meet you at the point of your need she said, and he nodded in full understanding, hot tears of joy running down his face. Listen to The Boys are Back in Town on YouTube


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in reality he e died of pneumonia and heart failure due to sepsis in the hospital's intensive care unit on 4 January 1986, at the age of 36. What a loss.


Readers Comment Chris Oakley commented on 2013-01-05 15:33:23 ~ I'm embarrassed to say I don't know the first thing about this guy.

Readers Comment Robbie Taylor commented on 2013-01-05 15:46:58 ~ He then went on to delve more deeply into Irish folk music - the metal version of The Foggy Dew was definitive

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2013-01-05 18:13:24 ~ Never heard of him--off to Youtube!

Readers Comment Mike McIlvain commented on 2013-01-06 00:46:41 ~ Of course, there could have been a fusion of Irish Rock, Traditional, and Christian music in there somewhere -- had he lived.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2013-01-15 15:58:00 ~ A loss indeed. Would that it were.



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December 25



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In 1985, ruinous years of drug and alcohol abuse caused thirty-six year old Irish folk singer Phil Lynott to collapse at his home in Kew on Christmas Day. Listen to Whiskey in the Jar on YouTube

The Juice of the BarleyHis unresponsive body was rushed to Salisbury Infirmary where doctors and family members feared for his life. He remained unconscious for almost ten days.

Then a mysterious bare-foot stranger visited him on the 4th January. He awoke from his coma and conversed in his customary low voice that was inaudible to the medical staff. Their own record was simply a note in the visitors log, under the somewhat odd name of Captain Farrell [1].

By 12th January, he was sufficiently recovered to be released from Hospital. Instead of relapsing into his former destructive ways, he set out in a new direction serving alongside his fellow Irishman Bob Geldorf as an Ambassador for "Live Aid", a do-gooder Rapparee. And six months later he returned to music to play a signature role alongside van Morrison and former Thin Lizzy bandsmen Gary Moore in the "Save the World" concert at Wembley Stadium. This included a heart felt appeal to give the starving masses of Africa the second chance that Jesus had given him; inevitably the emotional and spiritual effect was electric. Because something had been missing in this harsh world, but finally it was fulfilled. [2]

Afterwards he traveled the continent working with community groups and challenging political leaders to build infrastructure and fight poverty. An incomparable humanitarian spokesman, he died in Rwanda in 1994, praising the Lord every remaining day of his life.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in reality he e died of pneumonia and heart failure due to sepsis in the hospital's intensive care unit on 4 January 1986, at the age of 36. What a loss.
[1] one of the protaganists of "Whiskey in the Jar" which was adapted by his band Thin Lizzy in 1973, a heavy metal infusion of this centuries old folk classic.
[2] words of wisdom from Robbie Taylor.


Readers Comment Robbie Taylor commented on 2013-01-13 00:56:54 ~ But, it was his album with the Chieftains that really made his post-drugs career...

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2013-01-15 00:49:30 ~ WITW is a "Rapparee? A highwayman, listen to this version its a bit more understable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGZjRXEAoqI idea is Phil Lynott takes money from the rich instead, kind of Robin Hood anti-Rapparee

Readers Comment Mike McIlvain commented on 2013-01-15 08:09:08 ~ So then, his Christian album still sells well with the religious crowds? I think this route could have taken him there.

Readers Comment Jackie Rose commented on 2013-01-20 18:03:10 ~ Hmmmm...it sounds like a very Protestant experience to me, which might well have reduced his appeal to his Irish countrymen. As we can see from the papers, they are still going at each other, in Belfast at least.



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Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if the postman did stop to make Karen Carpenter feel a little better? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 1982, on this day in New York City the piercing sincerity of ten simple words from an anonymous fan convinced the desperately sick American singer and drummer Karen Carpenter to search for a way out of her life-threatening cycle of eating disorders and in so doing solve the problem that was threatening to destroy her relationship with her brother and co-star Richard Carpenter.
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Wait a minute, Mr Postman!The first step was the hardest, placing a long distance call to a telephone number in New Haven, Connecticut. Fearing the worst, her mother Agnes asked what was happening, but was reassured to hear that no, nothing was wrong, quite the contrary in fact, Karen had called to say that something, something just incredible had happened to her that very day.

Through to the mid-eighties her musical career kept apace with her steady medical recovery and by her thirty-fifth birthday she was once again a major star in good health. "Jesus will meet you at the point of your need" ~ the messageBut her central focus now was to help others suffering from the little known disorder anorexia nervosa.

The anonymous fan was never revealed, although HIS identity was no great mystery to Karen Carpenter.

Because she had caught a glimpse of the Postman's bare feet, you see.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, Source article ~ the song "Now", recorded in April 1982, was the last song Karen Carpenter recorded. She recorded it after a two-week intermission in her therapy with psychotherapist Steven Levenkron in New York City for her anorexia. The sight of Karen upon her return to California in April shook Richard and his parents, since she had lost a considerable amount of weight since beginning her therapy with Levenkron. In September 1982, Karen's treatment -- which had never convinced her family as being an effective method -- took a sinister turn of events when Karen called her psychotherapist to tell him she felt dizzy and that her heart was beating irregularly. Karen was admitted to Lenox Hill Hospital in New York. Levenkron remarked to her that she was no more than "77 pounds of dehydrated skeleton".
Karen was hooked up to an intravenous drip, which would be the cause of her much-debated 30 pound weight gain in eight weeks. Richard recalled visiting her in the hospital, saying "Karen, this is bullshit! Don't you understand?! You're going about this all the wrong way, this guy isn't getting anything accomplished, because you're in a hospital now!"
Karen returned to California in November 1982, determined to reinvigorate her career, finalize her divorce and begin a new album with Richard. She had gained 30 pounds at the end of the year-long stay in New York during 1981, and the sudden weight gain (much of which was the result of intravenous feeding) further strained her heart, which was already weak from years of crash dieting.


Readers Comment Stan Brin commented on 2011-04-11 20:01:54 ~ I certainly hope she didn't marry her partner. Ick. Fixed - thanks. Ed

Readers Comment Mike commented on 2011-04-11 20:21:10 ~ I guess the only outcome would have been more music by this artist. No, maybe more focus on this disorder Go to you tube and search, Kurt Cobain murdered and Micheal Jackson murdered. Also see Music industry exposed a 11 part series on you tube. Very interesting.

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2011-04-11 22:08:35 ~ I know very little about her or the Carpenters. However, wasn't Richard her brother? ISTR that they felt they couldn't touch each other in publicity photos for a while because people were muttering about incest. Fixed - thanks. Ed

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2011-04-12 16:41:38 ~ Could've stopped a lot of suffering through the following decades if magazines and movies were held accountable.

Readers Comment Robbie Taylor commented on 2011-05-07 02:54:09 ~ A carpenter visiting a Carpenter... appropriate :)



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