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The violence makes the network news. The protesters themselves are a varied lot, from overt Maoists and admirers of the still ongoing Castro rebellion in occupied Cuba to suit-wearing Quaker pacifists opposed to the Cuban and Southeast Asian wars on religious grounds. The Chicago Police Department, however, makes no distinctions; all are handled equally roughly--or, as Daley himself will put it on television, 'sternly.' |
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Editor says, what if the Central Powers had won the Great War? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the December 2012 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.
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In 1916, on this day Paul von Hindenburg succeeds Erich von Falkenhayn, with whose strategy he disagreed, as Chief of the German General Staff. An installment from the Central Powers Victorious thread.
Central Powers Victorious Part 2 von Falkenhayn dismissedBoth his deputy Erich Ludendorff and principal staff officer Max Hoffmann also transferred from the Eastern Front. Although they reluctantly agree to appoint Ludendorff Quartermaster-General, he does not get the supremacy he desires because the Chancellor and the Emperor insist that Hindenburg and Ludendorff follow Hoffmann's plan and he has a completely free hand.
It takes eighteen months, but he formulates the winning strategy that delivers victory to Central Powers. The break through finally comes at the middle of the front in June at Marne II and the German armies surge towards Paris. The French as they always said, fall back upon the defence of their capital. There is then a cease-fire with the French, while the Germans threaten the Channel ports. The British and Lloyd-George now have what they have been talking about and feared - one to three million hostages in France.
Landsdowne is swiftly sent to Basel to accept Cousin Willi's Peace Office presented by Alfred Duke of Clarence and Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Cousins George's and Willi's uncle and British royal duke. Landsdowne signs. Meanwhile Woodrow Wilson and Pershing are wrong footed, not being in position to attack in time. FDR as the young assistant naval secretary in France inspecting "his" marine corps is absolutely furious.
Because Hindenburg and Ludendorff (pictured) had no control over the military strategy, they had spent the majority of their time focusing on war time control of the economy. A domination had inevitably developed, and they intended to convert this into a military dictatorship at the soonest opportunity. von Hertling was determined to prevent this, but he only had a year to live, and by the time of his death, the office of Chancellorship was on the cusp of abolition.
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[1] this does not happen in OTL.
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~ "War-time control of the control?" Fixed - thanks, Ed
And the world might have been a better place. A lot of people tend to conflate them, but Wilhelmine Germany (much less Austria-Hungary) was Paradise next to the Third Reich.
~ We still could have had WW II with this end to the Great War. And, Hitler still could have gained control of Germany, but it might have been a tougher fight for him to get it. And, he could have been shot in the process.
None of the bomb attempts on him worked in later years.
~ No . NoVersailles = no Nazis and Hitler. the disturbed conditions of the post-war years do not occur and there is no Weimar Republic.
Hitler ends up a bad artist with a gallery in Vienna.
~ Ludendorff would have done well as the controller of the German wartime economy - he was actually very good at that and was a burocrat. Ggerman production goes up and the economy is organised for Total War like the British.
~ I don't quite understand this. When was the victorious German advance? Why did it succeed? Remember, the German economy wasn't mismanaged, it was simply overwhelmed and ran out of resources -- by the end of the war, they were pulling plumbing out of houses for lead to make bullets. Efficiency only goes so far when people are forced to eat nothing but turnips.
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IT IS SET FOR THE KAISERSCHACHT SUCCEEDING IN 1918.
LUDENDORFF IS SENT TO BE A BUROCRAT RUNNING THE GERMAN ECONOMY LIKE LLOYD-GEORGE DID FOR BRITAIN IN THE MINISTRY OF MUNITIONS FOR TOTAL WAR.
THIS WAS A GERMAN WEAKNESS.
He is good at this.
Max Hoffman is set to do the military tactics.
The Germans use tanks - they only need a small number - for the breakthrough, and the deception/ use of tactical aircraft tactics similar to ourselves.
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HINDENBURG HAD RETIRED AND WAS BROUGHT OUT OF RETIREMENT IN AUGUST 1914 TO HEAD THE OPERATIONS IN THE EAST, WITH LUDENDORFF TRANSFERRED FROM THE GENERAL STAFF when the general in East Prussia wanted to retreat to the Vistula, the victory of Tannenburg followed, but it was Max Hoffman's plan.
Ludendorf on his arrival in Berlin in 1916 after Falkenhayn is sacked, gets the job of organising the German war economy for Total War, Hindenburg continues as the figurehead whilr Max Hoffman, who has come with them is made responsible for military planning.
Hoffman quickly closes down the battle of Verdun, thus avoiding the capture of a large number of German prisoner in the counter-offensive. He arranges a bombardment of the areas the Germans withdraw from when the French advance into them.
Meanwhile it appears they are now massing on each side of the neck of the Verdun salient and are preparing to cut it off.
Joffre and Mangin react by withdrawing men from Verdun.
Meanwhile Hoffman orders, in as far as it can be done in time, the "Combined Arms" stormtrooper infiltration tactics to be used in counter-offensives on the Somme.
This disconcerts Haig and the French.
Predicting the attack at Messines Ridge and Passchendaele, Hoffman uses the same tactics of bombardment of an area evacuated and Combined Arms tactics are used, with even more disasterous results for Haig.
Ludendorff is quite good at organising war production, which he did in the occupied areas in the East, as he was a burocrat and had always worked in military organisation and transport.
The rise in German production is noted by Lloyd-George in intelligence reports, as he is the former Minister of Munitions, whilst worrying even more about casulaties in view of the worse military situation to OTL.
Hoffman insists on tanks, including lighter fast ones for the pursuit and not just to break through the front line.
He devises Cavalry Brigades, similar to those used by the Reds in the Russian Wars of Intervention, and infantry divisions coming along behind.
These combine whatever tanks are available with cavalry, mounted infantry and mobile artillery, with supply transport in one unit.
He devised new tactics similar to our own - decepetion and great attention toconcelaing where the attack will actually come with diversions and noise and use of aircraft to make attacks on troop formations and supplies behind the lines.
This was the origin of the Panzer Division in OTL.
Haig is convinced the attack will come in Flanders, the French believe it will come in Lorraine and Champagne.
The result is Hoffman's offensive in 1918 goes straight through the centre, with 100,000 cavalry creating disruption behind the lines.
The french fall back on Paris, as the always said they would do, and have difficulty coping with the Cavalry brigade tactics, as do the British cavalry Haig hastily sends south.
Our mounted infantry are in the Middle East.
The French government prepare yet again to flee to Bordeaux, Paris is put under martial law as a seige is feared. French troops race back to defend Paris.
Joffre and Mangin are unable to deal with the panci of the French politicians and reluctantly recommend a cesae-fire.
Lloyd-George receives and equally panic-stricken dispatch from Haig at British GHQ. This means the new German cavalry brigades can threaten the Channel Ports.
Also the Germans have tanks.
This triggers the greates fears of the British cabinet, as the Conservative members have discussed andfeared the dangers of us having 1 -3 million hostages in France.
What happened to the German offensive in Flanders?
Unfortunately the intelligence reports appear to have been mistaken.
It is at this point the Kaiser's Peace Offer arrives, clearly devised by Wilhelm's uncle and co-ordinated with Hoffman.
Landsdowne, the veteran foreign secretary and himself argunbg for a negotiated peace, is sent by Le Havre and Paris to Basel to receive it from the German inister plenipotentary, the Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, aka Alfred Duke of Clarence and Edward VII's brother.
Lloyd-George telegramms Landsdowne to sign an armistice.
He sees advantages in positioning himself as a leading member of the peace conference and appears before the press at hte front door of No. 10 to announce "Peace with Honour".
He particularrly fears further casualties and does not want the intended offensive of 19919, particualrly as they will have to rely on the Americans for it.
Haig and the General Staff have already advised they believe the war will go on till 1920, at hte best Masy, but probably october, and that was before the German break-through.
Poincaire spends some time pounding his desk in Paris and shouting "Albion La Perfide!", but he had his generals sign the original ceae-fire.
On his return, Landsdowne is greated at Victoria Station by a huge crowd,wild cheering, and off-duty soldiers car him ontheir shoulders to his waiting car.
Editor says, what if the Second Battle of Syracuse had never happened? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the August 2012 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.
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In 413 BC, spooked by a lunar eclipse1, the superstitious Athenian Commander Nicias ordered the fleet to set sail immediately and the disappointing Sicilian Expedition ended on a farcical note.
Delian League wins the Peloponesian WarMore significantly, the talented Spartan Commander Gylippus had been robbed of a never-to-be-repeated opportunity to strike a heavy blow against the Delian League that had endangered a large naval force on a near pointless mission. A second chance would not be forthcoming, Nicias was dismissed and the Peloponesian War was decisively won by his forces now led by the Athenian Commanders Demosthenes, Menander, and Euthydemus.
This great victory for the arsenal of democracy ensured the establishment of a newly unified Greece that could withstand that imminent rise of the Macedonians.
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~ Could this unified Greece have even withstood the Roman Empire?
~ A unified Greece could've been a major ally of Carthage, rather than our TL in which the Second Punic War spilled into Greek "civil" war also with allies gathered.
~ Well, getting mooned could have come to have had a different meaning. But, it does give thought to the idea of more balance in the Mediterranean, rather than just a Roman lake. How this would have eventually set things in European empires, and the EU is anyone's guess.
Editor says, what if the Capitoline Hill had fallen before Camillus arrived with a relief force? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the August 2012 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.
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In 387 BC, the barricaded Capitoline Hill fell and Gallic leader Brennus declared "Woe to the vanquished!" before mercilessly ordering the execution of both the citizenry and also the troops of the surviving right wing of the Roman Army that had fled the disasterous Battle of the Allia.
The Fall of Rome, 387 BCWhen newly installed dictator, General Marcus Furius Camillus arrived with a relief army, the city was an uninhabitable, smoking ruin. The Senate was forced to move the capitol to Veii where the left wing of the army had fled.
Despite this setback, there would not be a Gallic Empire bestride Western Europe. Because the Romans learnt the critical lessons, completely re-evaluated their art of war, and reinforced a new capital with defensive walls that were impregnable to future assault.
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Permalinks: Post, Day. Browse Thread: Generals Source: Wikipedia Labels: Allia, Brennus, Rome, Roman, Gallic. Editor says, in reality the defenders offered gold and during the delay over haggling, the relief force arrive and Rome was saved. In authoring this post, we have repurposed content from Wikipedia.
~ I'm not sure that at that late date the Romans were capable of that kind of comeback, especially since by then they actually depended on "barbarian" troops to keep up the legions' numbers.
~ Rome had walls---the Servian Walls, if memory serves. And moving the Roman capital to Veii would have changed things, possibly leading to more Etruscan influence (Veii was an Etruscan town).
~ I never knew a second Roman army had shown up? I thought the Barbarians left with gold because they could not stay anyway.
~ Re John Braungart: Whoops. Sorry.
However, even if the capital was rebuilt with heavier defenses after being sacked in the fourth century B.C., there's no guarantee that those defenbses would be properly maintained once the republic gave way to the empire and the empire grew corrupy. There could still have been a Gallic Rome (except that it would have been a Gallic Veil instead).
~ If they'd up their defences so much, the Second Punic War (if it happens) might see Hannibal's invasion as an utter failure and stroke of a madman.
Editor says, what if a riot ensued after Suffragette Leader Alice Paul of New Jersey died during a peaceful Woman's Rights protest? muses Jeff Provine on This Day in Alternate History Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).
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By 1917, suffrage for women in the United States was an uphill struggle. Despite even the reminder from the earliest days of the Revolution with Abigail Adams writing to her husband, "Don't forget the Ladies,"", the right to vote had been kept from women for over a century. While many abolitionists worked with the suffrage movement, once the Civil War ended and the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments provided rights for African Americans, women's suffrage seemed forgotten.
Suffragette Killed while Protesting President Leaders like Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Caddy Stanton continued the fight, but great political ground was made until well into the twentieth century.
America had joined World War I in April of 1917 amid a fair amount of protest of the involvement in Europe's war. President Woodrow Wilson used propaganda machines to keep the war popular, showing films of troops in training, "minute-men" giving public speeches over the importance of making the world safe for democracy, and upholding ideals of everything American. Meanwhile, the National Woman's Party, the renamed union of many women's suffrage organizations, used negative publicity against the President. He was routinely questioned why women weren't in his agenda of support for all humankind. Women picketed the White House with placards demanding the right to vote. Other placards displayed anti-war slogans, which was growing among the movement.
The protesters, nicknamed the "Silent Sentinels", had gradually ended their silence days before. As the President drove by, tipping his hat as he usually did, the women shouted at him. A new story by Jeff ProvineOutraged bystanders began to clash with the protesters, and eventually the police were brought in to calm the situation by arresting many of the women on charges of obstructing traffic. In the altercation, one of the leaders of the suffragettes, Alice Paul of New Jersey, violently slipped out of a policeman's grasp and fell, hitting her head on the pavement. Police and protesters alike attempted medical help, but Alice died in a matter of minutes. The women rose up in what many called a "riot", but police quickly arrested whoever they could catch to be placed in the Occoquan Workhouse in Virginia.
As the media and the remainders of the NWP spread word about the death, Wilson faced a public relations disaster. In a change from his usual quiet on the subject, he approached Congress with a speech requesting women's suffrage, noting that they "were willing to die, just as any man in the Revolution had been". Meanwhile, the negative press only grew as the arrested women entered hunger strikes. Potential bills flew around the Congress, drowning out suggestions for a temperance amendment controlling alcohol. Opposition to suffrage repeated pseudo-scientific evidence that women had smaller brains, and it was on a demand that women could think just as well as men that a solution was found. Common throughout the South, poll tests would be established to prove literacy and basic knowledge of citizenship for a voter. The Eighteenth Amendment, establishing the National Poll Test, would be ratified January 6, 1919. Any citizen of the United States, male or female, black or white, and even of any age, could vote after passing the test and proving merit.
As the Test went into use around the United States, it became steadily obvious that, statistically, the poor would be the first to be turned away from voting. Only a few who recognized this matter took it seriously, and of those, there were ones who used it to their advantage. Workers' rights were a question of the unskilled laborers, but the increasing difficulty of the Test kept them from voting. As the economy sank into the Great Depression, social leaders spoke out against the Test. Facing his own public relations issues, President Franklin Roosevelt urged Congress to repeal the amendment with a new amendment continuing the guarantee the vote for all adults, men and women. The Nineteenth Amendment would repeal the Eighteenth in 1933, the first of many political shifts for the nation.
Although ignored in 1917, the idea of the prohibition of alcohol would arise again in 1937 along with the control of marijuana. After two decades of facing an explosion in organized crime, these measures, too, would be repealed under the presidency of Stuart Symington in 1963 shortly before his assassination in Dallas, Texas.
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Permalinks: Post, Day. Browse Thread: Jeff Provine Blog Source: Jeff Provine’s Blog Labels: Woodrow Wilson, Alice Paul , National Woman's Party, Suffragette, Silent Sentinels. Editor says, in reality, no one was seriously injured at the NWP protest, though many were arrested, including leaders Lucy Burns and Alice Paul. While in Occoquan Workhouse, they would begin hunger strikes that would lead to them being force-fed while under psychiatric watch. The resulting negative press would push the government for an amendment to give women the vote, but not until after the Eighteenth Amendment began the Great Experiment of prohibition.
~ The suffragettes often hurt their own cause in England with their extreme tactics. As I understand it, they did a lot less of that sort of stuff here.
~ Writing poll tests into the Constitution would have invited all sortsa of mischief. I suspect that just as in this post, they wouldn't last. I wonder whether such a constitutional amendment could even have been ratified, though I suppose it's a reasonable possibility.
Jeff Provine doessn't say, but it appears that in this scenario there's no constitutional amendment establishing Prohibition. Our timeline's Eighteenth Amendment (repealed in 1933) contributed mightily to the Mafia's rise to wealth and influence in the U.S'; without national Prohibition, organized creime might have remained weaker.
In 1951, the world infrastructure is thrown into chaos when all electronic systems shut down for exactly a half hour.Warning from the Stars by Gerry Shannon
It is later revealed that the cause is the technology within the ship of the alien Klaatu whose spacecraft landed in a Washington DC baseball field two days before.
Klaatu left his android bodyguard Gort while the alien himself was placed under federal custody under strict orders by President Truman. (Klaatu's requests to deliver a message to world leaders at the United Nations were refused). Escaping, and hiding under a false identity in a boarding house; Klaatu would then track down famed scientist Albert Einstein to help him meet with the greatest representatives of the field of science at a hurried international conference at the location of his craft. Klaatu told Einstein he would use the other-wordly technology at his disposal to stage a 'demonstration' of what he and his race could do to mankind.
With the aid of a sympathetic widow, Klaatu makes it to his ship where he addresses the world before he, Gort and his ship finally departs. His parting words are grave, Watch the Youtube Clip 
Unfortunately, America does little to lead the way in heeding Klaatu's warning - and it would be Klaatu's own son (along with a returning Gort) who would arrive in another craft 57 years later for a more cataclysmic confrontation. Watch the Youtube Clip
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~ What a great AH concept! Gives me ideas for some of my own future ATL projects... :)
~ lol Cheers. You're more then welcome to build on it if you so wish!
In 1950, the withdrawal of United Nations forces forced President Harry S Truman to accept the counsel of advisors, who called for unilateral U.S. airstrikes against the North Korean forces.Pusan forces the issue
Truman had already ordered the Seventh Fleet to protect Chiang Kai-Shek's Taiwan, thereby ending America's policy of non-interference in Chinese domestic affairs. The Nationalist government (now confined to Taiwan) asked to participate in the war. Their request had been denied by the Americans, who felt they would only encourage PRC intervention.
Despite the post-World War II demobilization of U.S. and allied forces, which caused serious supply problems for American troops in the region, the United States still had substantial forces in Japan to oppose the North Korean military and its largely outdated Soviet equipment. These American forces were under the command of General Douglas MacArthur. Trouble was that apart from British Commonwealth units, no other nation could supply sizeable manpower.
Pusan changed everything, and the regional containment strategy had failed. Truman, needing allies, reluctantly invited Taiwan into the war. By September of 1950, a state of war existed between the United States and China. It became apparent that World War III would be fought in Asia-Pacific.
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Permalinks: Post, Day. Browse Thread: The Tommy Rich Story Source: Wikipedia Labels: Tommy Rich, Wildfire, Wrestling, NWA, Boxing.On this day in 1941, the Wehrmacht campaign in Russia achieved its greatest triumph to date, smashing a Red Army tank offensive near the town of Kursk. | |
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Permalinks: Post, Day. Browse Thread: Barbarossa41 Source: Wikipedia Labels: World War 2, Operation Barbarossa, Fascism, Europe of the Dictators, Axis Powers.On this day in 1953, Soviet premier Georgi Malenkov warned the United States that any intervention by the US or other Western powers in the situation in China would be regarded by the Soviet Union as an act of war and answered in kind. | |
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~ Would he agree to give up Camilla? Or would Charles go on being the only man in the world who did not want to sleep with Diana?
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Editor says, what if the Dutch had kept control of New Netherlands? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).
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In 1664, on this day the Dutch defenders of Fort Amsterdam received first reports that the English invasion fleet had sunk in a storm. An article from the American Heroes thread.
Relief in the Big OrangeThe capital of the New Netherlands had miraculously survived. And to celebrate victory in the Third Anglo-Dutch War ten years later, the defense was renamed Fort Willem Hendrick (pictured) in honor of the Dutch leader who was Stadtholder and Prince of Orange. And New Amsterdam was renamed New Orange.
Due to the peaceful manner in which the region was later,transitioned to the United States, Dutch-American relationship remained warm. As a result, three hundred years later, the ten-lane elevated highway stretching from the East River to the Hudson River, connecting the Holland Tunnel on the west side to the Williamsburg and Manhattan bridges to the east was named the Willem Hendrick Expressway [1].
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Permalinks: Post, Day. Browse Thread: American Heroes Source: Wikipedia Labels: Fort Amsterdam, New Netherlands, Dutch, New York, Anglo-Dutch War. Editor says, this article is re-purposed from a post by Lord Roel on Alternate History. In reality no shots were fired on August 27, 1664, when the Dutch surrendered the fort and Manhattan in what amounted to one of the skirmishes in the bigger Second Anglo-Dutch War. The fort was renamed Fort James in honor of James II of England. New Amsterdam was renamed New York in recognition of James's title as Duke of York.
[1] never built due to objections in 1962.
~ Actually, this would have caused a lot more turmoil as New Holland was entirely surrounded by English territory containing a much larger population. It is highly likely that English and Scots-Irish immigrants would have moved into Dutch territory and become the absolute majority within a generation.
~ I'm sad that the Dutch gave up New Amsterdam; I so would have loved another nation vying for the Americas...
~ Did any of the Dutch ships get ticketed by the NYPD's meter maids? :D
~ That could have put a whole different spin on the New York City we all know, and have our respective opinions on. Could be more flavors, food choices, beers, and culture from the Netherlands. Names could be different, and NYC could have other names like Orangetown or Willy.
~ New Amsterdam might very well share the progressive policies of OLD Amsterdam, like legal drug use and euthanasia. Sounds good to me. And the Nazis might not have been able to invade New Amsterdam since it was located across the Atlantic Ocean and surrounded by American states. Sounds even better.
~ A more Dutch-influenced "New York" might have had interesting knock-on effects; among other things, people do tend to forget that the Netherlands was involved in the American Revolution. That said, I do think that the place was doomed to go under the British flag sooner or later.
~ With as much money as would be centered in the Hudson River area, it would be fortunate to have a peaceful transition. Boston would be a bigger city, too.
Editor says, what if the Hittite prince Zannanza made it across the Egyptian border? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the August 2012 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.
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In 1324 BC, on this day Hittite prince Zannanza narrowly survived a bandit attack before safely crossing the border into Upper Egypt.
Zannanza, Pharaoh of EgyptHis father Suppiluliuma I, king of the Hittites had reluctantly agreed to Egyptian Queen Dakhamunzu's offer of marriage to one of his sons. Widowed, and without an heir, she had appealed to him in writing "My husband has died and I have no son. They say about you that you have many sons. You might give me one of your sons to become my husband. I would not wish to take one of my subjects as a husband .. I am afraid".
Of course Zannanza was to discover that the Queen was not just isolated, she had very specific reasons for her fear, because the bandit attack had been organized by the same devil's that murdered her husband Tutankhamun. But the conspirators bid for power was counterproductive, because inadvertently their actions would lead to the creation of a powerful unified Hittite/Egyptian Empire. And soon after the conspirators were crushed, a common enemy emerged that required the concentrated forces of both nations. They were the so-called Peoples of the Sea, a confederacy of seafaring raiders who sailed around the eastern Mediterranean, causing political unrest, who ultimately attempted (unsuccessfully) to seize control of Egyptian territory.
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~ I read an interesting theory that this queen was also known as Nefertiti, the wife and co-ruler of Akhnatan, the founder of monotheism.
~ A unified Hittite/Egyptian Empire would've been a huge cultural and geographic entity, if they could've made it work with the issue of distance. Maybe they'd adapt to sea travel, which neither ancient empire really seemed to get into, changing the whole scope of that era of the Mediterranean as well as everything after.
~ Hittite-Egyptian union wouldn't have worked---too many differences. A Hittite Pharaoh would have been interesting, but his children and grandchildren would have been more and more "Egyptian." Kind of like what happened to the Manchu Qing dynasty in China.
Editor says, what if wartime anti-German sentiment had forced the dissolution of the British Monarchy? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the August 2011 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.
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In 1979, on this day English republicans bombed the Shadow V the thirty-four foot long lobster-potting and tuna fishing boat owned by the private citizen Louis Battenberg (formerly His Serene Highness Prince Louis of Battenberg) near the castle in Mullaghmore, County Sligo where he had lived in internal exile for six decades.
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By Ed, Scott Palter & Jeff ProvineAlong with their Russian and German cousins in the Royal Houses of Romanov and Hohenzollern, the Great War forced the Saxe-Coburg-Gothas Family off the throne.
At the outbreak of war, his father had been forced to step down as First Sea Lord by the Lord of the Admiralty, Winston Churchill. The harsh injustice of this brutal decision drove young "Dickie" to tears of rage. But despite being a "blue-eyed German" himself, "Dickie" served in the Royal Navy during the early part of the war, distinguishing himself at the Battle of Jutland. As a result, of this valour, and due to the goodwill that he had established with the local community, he was permitted to reside in internal exile in County Sligo. And when Southern Ireland received its independence, he found himself located twelve miles south of the British border, a private citizen of the new state of Eire.
By the second half of the twentieth century, post-imperial Britain was in absolute decline and sinking fast. Monarchists dreamt of a restoration which might lift the nation out of chaos. But such a step could only be possible if the socially awkward young Prince Charles was supported by his mentor and favourite Uncle. And that was why Republicans decided that he had to die.
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Permalinks: Post, Day. Browse Thread: Generals Source: Wikipedia Labels: Mountbatten, Battenberg, Britain, Republic, Monarchy. Editor says, in this post we imagine that Britain dissolved tbe monarchy due to anti-German sentiment in World War One.
Wikipedia reports ~ His father's forty-five year Naval career reached its pinnacle in 1912 when he was appointed as First Sea Lord in the Admiralty. However, two years later in 1914, due to the growing anti-German sentiments that swept across Europe during the first few months of World War I, Prince Louis was removed from his position and publicly humiliated by King George V, and Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill. Though both men professed 'sadness' at having to do this, private conversations and letters show them both to perfectly happy to sacrifice their "blue-eyed German". This forced retirement of his father was devastating to Louis. In 1917, when the Royal Family stopped using their German names and titles and adopted the more British-sounding "Windsor", Prince Louis of Battenberg became Louis Mountbatten, and was created Marquess of Milford Haven. His second son acquired the courtesy title Lord Louis Mountbatten and was known as Lord Louis informally until his death notwithstanding his being granted a viscountcy in recognition of his wartime service in the Far East and an earldom for his role in the transition of India from British dependency to sovereign state.
~ Elizabeth II did have a nice calming effect and hope in the '50s, good royalty. Mountbatten knew when to get out of India when the getting was good. Guess India in this TL is a total mess.
~ Prince Charles?Since the Queen was only 53 at the time.. Mountbatten-regarded as a bit pink.
~ I don't know that anti-German sentiment was ever anywhere nearly strong enough to endanger the British monarchy. And the word is "throne," not "thrown." (Paranthetically, I've always been very amused at the anti-German hysteria of WWI Britain---did they forget _where_ their Saxon ancestors had come from?) Fixed - thanks. Ed
~ I just don't see Willy ending the British monarchy. Period.
~ Slight grammar problem: surely it should be "in absolute decline" rather than "in absolute declining." Fixed - thanks. Ed
Editor says, what if President Roosevelt had agreed to attend a summit with Prime Minister Prince Fumimaro Konoe of Japan? muses Jeff Provine on This Day in Alternate History Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).
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By 1941, war in the Pacific had been brewing for years. During the 1930s, Japanese influence into China had increased to all-out war in 1937 and domination of Manchuria. With the fall of France in 1940, Japan stationed troops in French Indochina.
Roosevelt Agrees to Summit with KonoeGermany's invasion of Russia in 1941 placed Japan in a precarious position: Hitler pressured them to attack north to the Soviet Union, which would have been an easy front; French Indochina stood ready for full occupation with Vichy troops occupied in Europe. Far to the east, the United States rested like a sleeping giant.
Prime Minister Prince Fumimaro Konoe was desperate to prevent war with America. Roosevelt routinely demanded removal of Japanese troops from China, which was an impossible agreement since the army and navy had suffered too much to give up conquests. On July 28, 1941, Japan commenced its occupation of French Indochina, and the United States retaliated by freezing Japanese assets and, more importantly, leading Britain and the Dutch East Indies in an oil embargo. Without foreign oil, Japan was stuck; within two years, the entirety of oil stockpiles would be depleted. The military had not anticipated such a rash move by the Americans, and Konoe made a last-ditch effort: a personal summit. He sent notice to Roosevelt that he would soon be arriving in Washington in hope FDR would meet him.
It was a diplomatic gamble, but Konoe's risk-taking paid off. The summit was rushed in preparation, and, on September 5, the Japanese Prime Minister was welcomed to the White House. The talks were primarily a standstill; Roosevelt made demands that Japan leave China and stop its military expansion to the south, something that Konoe could not do. While the meeting essentially gained nothing, Konoe did learn one important point: much of the American public did not want to engage in another "European" war, so the United States would never be the one to strike first.
Under the Tripartite Pact signed among Germany, Italy, and Japan in 1940, the three had agreed to join forces if an unnamed force (the United States) came into the war against them. While, militarily, an immediate strike against the small American Pacific fleet would be advantageous, it could prove costly in the long run. Konoe reported to the other Tripartite nations that the United States must never be assaulted. They could not risk a repeat of even the slightest negative PR move like the sinking of the Lusitania in the first World War.
With pressure from Hitler, the Japanese would begin their plans for war against the Soviet Union. They assured him that, without oil, they would be unable to put their armies into the field effectively. Defeat in 1939 at Khalkhin Gol also showed that Japanese ground forces were not adequate against Soviet heavy tanks, so they focused on devising a defensive war with long-reaching strikes by aircraft. However, as Operation Barbarossa became a logistical quagmire, it was obvious that Hitler had bitten off more than Germany could chew.
The Emperor did not want to be on the losing side of a war with the Soviet Union, but Konoe and his ministers could not break the Tripartite Pact. Instead, they bought time, assuring Hitler that their army would be ready for combat in the summer. On June 28, 1942, Japan launched attacks toward Soviet oil fields north of Manchuria simultaneous with Germany's operation Case Blue. Stalin let the east lose ground with only minor defensive measures, pressing most of his might into the defense of Moscow and the west. Even with two fronts, by the middle of 1943, Russia halted the tide of advance and began to push back.
Japan fell to maintaining position and working with its air force (arguably the best in the world after years of buildup) to spy on troop movements and pin down Russian reserves before they could reach the front. Germany's war with Britain had come to a standstill with Hitler giving up North Africa but holding the Mediterranean. The manpower and materiel did not seem available for an amphibious invasion of Europe until at least 1945 despite the fact that the Blitz had long passed. Instead, they fought Germany's navy while Stalin began to eat away at the back of Hitler's European fortress.
Finally, the end came for Germany with the British landing at Normandy under Operation Overlord in March of 1945. By that time, Stalin was pressing into Germany itself, and the Third Reich faced collapse. On August 14, 1945, the remainders of Hitler's government (Hitler himself had disappeared, presumed dead in his bunker via suicide) sued for peace. Stalin then joined with Britain in pressing toward the east where Japan had stood unquestioned for years. Seeing the vicious defeat of allies, Emperor Hirohito offered terms for peace, but Stalin would not accept anything less than what had been declared at Potsdam: disarmament, reduction of empire, and partial occupation.
Prime Minister Konoe, who had been in and out of power over the course of the war, approached American President Thomas Dewey for mediation. Dewey agreed, but Stalin and Prime Minister Clement Attlee did not agree to ceasefire until concessions had been made. While battles still roared in Siberia, Mongolia, China, and French Indochina, talks began. When the dust cleared, Japan would maintain Korea as a protectorate, but they would lose all other imperial gains and face limitations on armed forces.
The United States, now economically on its feet with its profitable Lend-Lease program, suddenly faced a world with vaporizing empires and Soviet dominance over almost all of Europe and Asia. Renewed military buildup began through the 1950s, and America found itself trailing distantly behind Russia in missile technology and space development. In 1962, Russia moved ICBMs to its ally Cuba and refused to recognize American requests that they be removed. The successful invasion at Playa Giron and subsequent seizing of those missiles began the Soviet-American War that would last until 1968 with Russian troops marching into Chicago, where the relocated American government had sat after the Bombing of Washington.
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Permalinks: Post, Day. Browse Thread: Jeff Provine Blog Source: Jeff Provine’s Blog Labels: Roosevelt, Japan, America, Konoe, Pacific War. Editor says, in reality, Konoe did not make the diplomatic faux pas of forcing discussion, and Roosevelt bought time with the promise of talks as long as possible to better prepare America's military base. The Japanese government realized war was inevitable, and it would fare better if it began sooner rather than later. On December 7, 1941, Japanese woke the slumbering giant with the bombing of Pearl Harbor.
~ Not bad...I'd say it was reasonably plausible. However, a Soviet invasion of the N. American continent...not so plausible.
~ Remove the last paragraph. Not plausible. The atomic bomb was an American invention (with foreign scientists, of course). The Soviet bomb was highly dependent upon espionage, and was essentially a copy of the American project. The rise of Castro is such an accident that the butterfly effect would have neutralized him.
~ Not a bad scenario although without significant US help, in both men & arms, Britain alone couldn't launch Operation Overlord at any time. Similarly, if the USSR is fight off both Germany & Japan, it won't have the reserves available to counterattack at Stalingrad or Kursk. If so I'd expect the USSR to be defeated by 1945 with Britain looking very isolated as a result.
~ I don't quite understand why Overlord happens earlier but Hitler's regime doesn't completely collapse until monthd after it did in our timeline.
I agree with Eric Oppen that a Soviet invasion of the continental U.S. is unlikely. Surely the U.S. would have been able to nuke the living $#!& out of the USSR and would have doe so if it seemed Soviet victory might be the alternative. In our timeline, after all, it was the threat of massive retaliation which, more than anything else, kept the Soviets from attacking yin the 1960s.
~ Stalin would have beaten the Japanese army in Manchuria in 1942 even given Japanese air superiority. Stalin had 1 million men east of Lake Bikal. They were 2nd rate with 2nd rate equipment but both were more than good enough to beat the Japanese. The Japanese army lacked modern armor, sufficient artillery or even enough heavy weapons to grind it out against Ivan.
~ With the US out of the war, my guess is they're not going to spend the billions of R&D dollars on atomic weapons, which would thusly not give precedent for Stalin's development, so no nukes in this TL. Rocketry, however, would be very advanced with Russia grabbing von Braun and his team. They'd have V-2 rockets advanced enough to do what we call ICBMs, just no nuke payload. Even if the a-bomb were developed, I'd think it'd be the Russians to have it first.
As for Cuba being Castro, I'd really doubt it was him. However, I do think that the USSR would support communist revolutions just about everywhere.
Editor says, what if Thomas Jefferson was fully committed to the principle of the pursuit of liberty? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).
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In 1789, on this day the de facto government of Revolutionary France, the National Constituent Assembly adopted the Declaration of the Rights of Man of the Citizen, a statement of enlightenment principles co-authored by the Marquis de Lafayette and the Virginian émigreé radical Tom Jefferson.
Pursuit of LibertyThirteen years before, Jefferson had penned the United States Declaration of Independence. But a paragraph indicting Britain's role in the slave trade was deleted from the final version creating a contradiction between the claim that "all men are created equal" and the existence of American slavery. "If there be an object truly ridiculous in nature", English abolitionist Thomas Day wrote in a 1776 letter, "it is an American patriot, signing resolutions of independency with the one hand, and with the other brandishing a whip over his affrighted slaves".
"Rather it should have failed, I would have seen half the earth desolated"Jefferson agreed, quitting Virginia to enjoy Parisian Society with his common law mixed race wife, Sally Hemings. They were soon to discover that the French were prosecuting their own revolution with a great deal more extremism, too much for Jefferson's own "personal taste for disorder and violence". Still, his vision for a French revolutionary occupation of England might yet rescue his former colleagues, because if there was one overarching principle Jefferson really believed in, it was that both revolutions were connected by the common pursuit of Liberty. It was a concept that Jefferson had brow-beaten Lafayette into codifying into the Declaration.
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~ The intellectuals of france were loaded with bright unproven ideals but unfortnately had no experience with democracy or human nature in its uncontrolled form. End result is the reign of terror, attrocities and terrorism sponsored by the radicals, collapse and the rise of Napoleon's dictatorship and war, a process and tragedy repeated up to the present day throughout the world.
~ It seems unlikely Jefferson would have emigrated, unless forced to by the Revolution's failure, which would have made him a hunted man. He was altogether too comfortable in Virginia to have "quit" America over the deletion of a controversial passage in his draft of the Declaration of Independence.
~ Would a foreigner have had that much influence in Revolutionary France?
Comment from Arlena Arteaga Kelly on Facebook: I think the Hemmings descendents would say that he was........
Comment from Margo Barotta on Facebook: Thomas Jefferson travel a lot into france and he had a stronge friendshipe with laffayette ,and also jefferson was known that he had a lot of slaves in his farme ,and a rumer said that jefferson had mixed color childrens, but until now no true evidence.
Comment from Arteaga Kelly on Facebook: Arteaga Kelly Sally's descendants needed no true evidence, they knew. And it's interesting to note that Jefferson did not support Touissant L Overture's slave insurrection in Haiti and sent reinforcement to help Napoleon. So much for "Egalite, liberte, and fraternity".
~ At least one of her sets of decendents who went white has Jefferson's DNA. But the truth is that no matter who went over to France to ring in Liberty and Democracy, Thomas Jefferson or Thomas Payne, the revolution failed in France because ordinary French people had no experience with Government by the people for the people and those in charge really did not have an inkling on what Liberty really is. They looked to Rousou and the mythical Noble Savage where in Britain and America Liberty is seen as the ordinary man being as rotton as his king needs to be his own slave driver lest his king make him into his royal property and to do that he needs to work as a team with his ordinary common people like a pirate crew works together to their own mutual corrupt benefit. The French expected Utopia when they lifted away the royal chains while forgetting to chain everyone together in chains of the common man working together for mutual benefit. They just assumed to their disaster that everyone would swim together.
Editor says, was the War of 1812 Thomas Jefferson's fault or was it inevitable? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).
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In 1806, the compromised reality of the American Revolution was thrown into sharp contrast - whilst President James Monroe's High Representative William Pinkney conducted negotiations in London to renew the Jay Treaty, his predecessor, the "philantropic cock" Thomas Jefferson was across the English Channel enjoying Parisian Society with his common law mixed race wife, Sally Hemings.
Philanthropic Cock by Ed, Scott Palter, Raymond Speer and Eric LippsUnderstanding that the infant republic needed at least two decades of peace in order to survive, George Washington had risked his reputation as a patriot by approving the original ten-year treaty with Great Britain. Now, more important than a simple renewal was the need to resolve differences over the issue of impressment of American sailors from US ships and neutral trading rights. Because in acquiesing to American independence, it was now clear that Great Britain's cynical ploy was to give away the cake whilst keeping the cream.
Agreement seemed possible if not likely, because the British Prime Minister Lord Grenville and his "Ministry of All the Talents" believed that the US Navy was partly manned by British deserters who were desperately needed to fight Napoleon. Accordingly, Grenville ordered Lord Holland and Lord Auckland to cut a deal with Pinkney. Trouble was, that whilst President James Monroe approved the treaty, the US Senate rejected it, and the result was the War of 1812.
The political crisis created by the Senates rejection might of course been avoided had Thomas Jefferson served a second term, because he would never have approved the treaty in the first place. However he had claimed to be exhausted by the complexities of the Louisiana Purchase and the misbehavior of Aaron Burr.
In reality, Jefferson was hugely frustrated with the development of the American revolution which had become a more of a worldly struggle for survival than the building of the egalitarian society that he had dreamt of. In fact, the American Revolution had stopped, and there was little to interest a mental giant in business as usual.
Of course Jefferson's frustration had begun at the very outset. Not only had his bold anti-slavery statement been disgracefully removed from the Declaration of Independence, he had resigned from Washington's government to spend more time with Hemings, and later faced the scandal of this affair in the mainstream press during his political comeback.
But in a larger sense, Jefferson wanted the American Revolution to have the transformative energy of its French equivalent. Having served as a diplomat in Paris, he had experienced the freedom of living with Hemings in a way not possible in the States. Soon after Monroe's inauguration, Jefferson and Hemings sold up Montecello, freed his slaves and left America forever.
Without knowing it, Jefferson had started the African-American Revolution which ironically, was a transformative process more attuned to his own thinking.
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Permalinks: Post, Day. Browse Thread: Alternate Nations Source: Wikipedia Labels: Thomas Jefferson, America, James Monroe, William Pickney, Sally Hemings. Editor says, From Wikipedia ~ "the negotiations were begun on 27 August 1806, and the treaty was signed on 31 December 1806. Monroe and Pinkney knew they had fallen short of their goals; indeed, when President Jefferson received the treaty in March of 1807, he did not even bother submitting it to the United States Senate for ratification. This failure to resolve differences over the issue of impressment and neutral trading rights contributed to the coming of the War of 1812".
~ I'm not sure that there were enough blacks in the US at that time to get anything like an "African-American Revolution" going.
Comment from Peter Hebert on Facebook: War of 1812 was the result of Madison refusing to renew the charter for a central bank. Rothschild in the City of London was pissed. After the war, the U.S. had a change of mind. And, you thought it was over sailors gone AWOL I bet.
~ At the time of the Revolution, there were a half-million blacks in the U.S.--out of a total population of less than three million.
Numbers, however, would have been less important than their absolute powerlessness at the time, to say nothing of white social attitudes. It's unlikely that Jefferson would have dared take Hemings as his wife, and doubtful such a marriage would even have been legal at the time in the U.S. (mixed-race marriages remained illegal well into the twentieth century in many U.S. states).
~ I'm sorry, but that title sounds wrong on so many levels... :D
~ Jefferson's views on blacks were pretty much what most whites had at the time. In some states but not Virginia a person of colour could be reclassified White or be declared white enough by a court of law to be allowed to marry a white person. But I doubt Jefferson would have declared for his concubine due to the politics of the time. Whether Sally Hemmings could be called a Placeee, or Slave Wife or Concubine is debatable. We certainly know of a number of men of Jefferson's station who had such relationships. Certainly it would influence race relations somewhat though not by much. We need only look to the experiences of a Colenal Johnson, who is attributed to be the slayer of Tecumseh, who kept a mulatto concubine and had two daughters by her. His efforts on their behalf cost him the Vice presidency. His white relatives actually went to court and had it declared that he had no legal children so they could claim his assets after he died. No dought if Jefferson were to declare himself for his concubine, he would have suffered a similar fate.
~ As for America's relations with Britain, British arrogance set things the way they went. War was ineviatable. Perhaps without Jefferson America might have maintained or built up its navy to be really formidable and dangerous to Britain's commerce to really really hurt them. Jefferson's peace policies of fleet reduction and economic Boycott was a disaster. A few more warships with captains willing to push them to their limits against the arrogant John Bull might have got results. If Chesapeak had pulverised Leapard, Britain might get the message.
~ Absent Jefferson why does the Senate not approve the treaty. The coastal states did not want war. They were doing too well on European trade. The predominant warhawks in OTL were Westerners [land lust for Canada and Florida, conflicts with British supplied Indians] plus ardent Jeffersonians. If Monroe is running the party the the coastal loyalists vote for the treaty.
Editor says, what if Confederate Commanders immediately followed-up the victory at Bull Run? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).
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In 1861, President Hannibal Hamlin was opposed by prominent business interests when he attempted to revive the District of Columbia on Manhattan island. By the end of his second year in office, Hamlin was resident at Montauk Point, Long Island, where a Seaside White House was available to him and his family, as was a double domed capital, larger and more spacious than the one left behind in Washington D.C.
Crucifixion Day Part 3 by Raymond SpeerMeanwhile, Richmond remained the capital of the Confederacy, but that organization was disintegrating while unchallenged by the USA. Georgia and Mississippi sanctioned the disintegration of the infantry units that had been raised by those states upon the expiration of their 60 day enlistment periods. Virginia was more responsible (well aware of the
Grand Army of the Republic that the Yankees had training in Pennsylvania), but was straining its own resources by putting forth the defense for the Confederacy's eastern seaboard. And sales had not been good for Confederate bonds, though the documents were being marketed freely in Europe.
The Post-Skedaddle phase of the War Between the American States began in the Nevada territory, where a convention hall of orators in Virginia City announced that Nevada was joining the Confederacy. That was in the last week of November 1862 and a rival Union government in Carson City was established by a company of cavalry the next month. By the beginning of 1862, Nevadan settlers were fighting among themselves over which side would get the mineral wealth of the territory.
Both Jefferson Davis and Hannibal Hamlin appointed proxies in Nevada, and contacted their respective Congresses for appropriations to send an overwhelming force to conquer Nevada beyond dispute. Of necessity, each side made ready their home defense forces back east.
As those events transpired, Brigham Young in Salt Lake City organized his people, ordering a prepared defense force to resist outside domination "from either side". In London, with the advent of the Nevada Crisis, maps are consulted concerning the American southwest lands and the settlements thereon.
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Permalinks: Post, Day. Browse Thread: Southern Cross Source: Amazon Labels: Abraham Lincoln, John Wilkes Booth, Stonewall Jackson, Hannibal Hamlin, Bull Run. ~ Actually, the North did prevail in the Nevada area. Many volunteers came over from Californian but the local Mexican population was more sympathetic to the north with much bad experience from southerners and the North's freeing them from Peonage on the local scene. I believe the South would have been staying together a lot better than you show but the big ships of the Navy in northern hands along with its vast resources in its merchant ships which they were now arming and recruiting from for which to establish its blockade along with its naval build ups up north to push down the misssissippi would ulimately bring Northern victory.
~ The old capitol was in Washington, _DC,_ not Washington _State._ The State's clear the other side of the continent from DC. Fixed - thanks. Ed.
~ And I dson't think it was a state in 1861.
I suspect Hamlin's Seaside White House would have been only a temporary residence. Once the new capital had been formally established, there would probably have been calls for the building of a new presidential residence, if only to show the USA still had the spirit to do it.
Editor says, What if Barack Obama's father had survived his 1982 car crash in Nairobi? We explore an even more stellar career, examining the importance of fatherhood in our development.
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In 2006, Housing Minister Barack Hussein Obama II visited Kibera, one of Africa's largest slums in the Kenyan capital of Nairobi. "You are all my brothers and sisters," Mr Obama told crowds of excited residents who craned their necks to catch a glimpse of the Minister (pictured). The Barack Obama Story, Part 4 - The Audacity of Hope
"Everybody in Kenya needs the same opportunities to go to school, to start businesses, to have enough to eat, to have decent clothes," he said over a loudspeaker.
At least six hundred thousand people, many without jobs or legal title to the land they inhabited had been given fresh hope for a brighter future. Thw Minister's Community Action Policies had helped set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization.
Unquestionably, his most significant contribution was in organizing finance for the program. Sponsorship funding had been obtained from sources as diverse as the Chicago Bulls, Irish Rock Band U2 to the United Nations office of the High Commissioner for Refugees.
Obama was creating an international profile that would propel him to the position of UN Secretary General in 2014, and a dramatic confrontation with the forty-fourth President of the United States, Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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~ And so it begins... He'd get my vote that's for sure! ;)
But seriously, this is a good way for Obama to cement his political position in Kenyan politics, leading to greater things to come I'd dare say. Maybe, though, if the "tenant's rights" program was explained more, it may explain better why Obama is able to, not only ensure support of the Kenyan people, but also why he rises to UN Secretary General.
~ I'm no expert on Kenyan politics, but in a lot of Africa, this surge of popularity in an underling would have the local President/Prime Minister very worried indeed...he'd be smelling a coup d'etat in the making, even if the underling in question was actually completely loyal.
~ The Chicago Bulls support him, but no Bono? Where's U2 in all this, I want to know! :)
~ Dang, this is just what I was going to write, LOL. :)
On this day in 1968, the Vietnam War ended with the signing of a cease-fire pact between North and South Vietnam. The withdrawal of remaining foreign troops from Vietnamese soil would begin two days later. | "Westie" |
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Permalinks: Post, Day. Browse Thread: Worlds Collide Source: Wikipedia Labels: Worlds Collide, Harry Truman, Horror, America, Disaster.In 1960, on this day the US Treasury Department published a sobering report on the economic impact of the Jamaica Bay hurricane; the report estimated that it would take at least 4-6 months for metropolitan New York to recover from the storm and the stock market would be in decline for 6-8 weeks. | |
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Permalinks: Post, Day. Browse Thread: Jamaica Bay Source: Wikipedia Labels: New York, Hurricane, America, 1948, Disaster.In a military application of Albert Einstein?s unified field theory, the destroyer escort was fitted with powerful generator equipment, designed to distort electromagnetic radiation and gravity, rendering the ship invisible to radar. On or before October 28 1943 USS Eldridge was rendered invisible to human observers for a brief period of time. Upon her return, she left a very visible tear in the fabric of the Universe. The observers reported a thermal distortion much like the running of gas out of a pipe, or hot air rising off the desert. By the time President Truman arrived for a personal viewing on October 30th, there were some seriously worried people on the Project.
That included Albert Einstein, who offer absolutely no guarantees to the President that the tear could be fixed up.
| US Athlete | In 1935, American athlete Jesse Owens commented on the decision by United States Olympic Committee president Avery Brundage to withdraw the participation of the American athletics from the Games of the XI Olympiad in Archona, capital city of the Dominion of Draka. |
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It is widely repeated that Chief Justice von Shrakenburg 'snubbed' Jesse Owens and his achievements. Brundage believed that politics had no place in sport; von Shrakenberg feared sport would define politics by debunking the Draka assertion of white supremacy. Owens said, "I think journalists showed bad taste in criticizing the man of the hour in the Dominion of the Draka". One can only wonder if his tongue had crept into his cheek before making this memorable statement. |
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Permalinks: Post, Day. Browse Thread: Alternate Nations Source: Wikipedia Labels: Lutz Long, Jesse Owens, Draka, America, Germany.On this day in 1969, serial killer Jay Sebring resurfaced after nearly a week in hiding and shot a homeless drifter. | |
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