A Daily Updating Blog of Important Events In History That Never Occurred Today.
Imagine what would be, if history had occurred a bit differently. Who says it didn't, somewhere? These fictional news items explore that possibility.

Quick Links

Blog Roll
Althistory Multiply
Bull Spec
Everything Is History
History Blog
History is Funny
John Reilly's Alternate History
Old is the New New
Editor's Recommendations
Alt Hist Magazine
Althistory Wiki
Bloggapedia
Changing the Times
Editor's Postbag
Etys Artwork
For and Against It
Headlines
Iconic Photos
John Reilly's Blog
King and Country
MLK Memorial
New Statesman (What If..)
On This Friday
Selected Threads
This Day in AH
Today in History
Truth be Told
Voice Christian Worker
Zach Timmons AH
Reader's Favourites
Top 100 Ranked Stories
Site Construction
Archive Navigator
Clean DB
Community Journal
Facebook
Get Blogs
Newsfeed Update
Survey
Twitter

Selected threads

Guest Historian Andrew Beane
 Andrews Posts
Guest Historian Chris Oakley
 Apollo 1  Arnold Hiller
 Axis Spain  Baltimore Colts
 Barbaro 2006  Barbarossa 41
 Battle Alaska  Belgium 1940
 Biti Letter  Blackpool 40
 British X Files  Ceaucescu 90
 Chance Encounter  Charles Barkley
 Chicago19  Cimino
 Cleopatra  CSI
 Cuba '62  Curt Flood
 D.B. Cooper  Double Jeopardy
 Eternal City  Falklands
 France 44  Francis Urquhart
 Giant Surprise  God Save Queen
 Grey Cup  GZ Murmansk
 Hirohito@100  Houston 57
 Ice Bowl  Ill Wind
 Iraq NEO Impact  Jamaica Bay
 Japan45  Jay Sebring
 Johnny Damon  Kirk Prime
 Korea 53  Koufax 35
 Last Broadcast  Lusitania '15
 McCain 09  Middle East 67
 Moore 911  Necessary Evil
 New York Knights  O Tempora, ..
 Omega Man  Oswald63
 Parley  Roswell '47
 Salems Lot  Shirers WW2
 Shock  SL Rangers
 Surprise Attack  The Devourer
 Titanic 13  Tom Brady
 Tommies  Tommy Rich
 Trek49  Valkyrie
 Weebls  Worlds Collide
Guest Historian David Atwell
 Action Jackson  Hells Doors
 Hell on Earth  House Cromwell
Guest Historian David Cryan
 Swine Flu
Guest Historian Dirk Puehl
 Dirks Blog
Guest Historian Eric Lipps
 49th State  Bonaparte 2
 Cuba War  Da Vinci Engine
 Ford Killed  Gore Wins
 JFK Impeached  Liberty Fails
 Lifeterm  Linebacker
 No Chappaquiddick
 Whig Revolution
Guest Historian Eric Oppen
 Malcolm X  No Tolkien
 Trotsky's War
Guest Historian Gerry Shannon
 CSA Today  Godfather IV
 Hero Oswald  JFK Lives
 Seinfeld Movie
Guest Historian Jackie Rose
 Happy Endings
Guest Historian Jeff Provine
 Jeff Provine Blog
Guest Historian John J. Reilly
 John Reilly Blog
Guest Historian Jackie Speel
 Conjoined Crisis
Guest Historian Kwame Dallas
 African Holocaust
Guest Historian Mike Stone
 WJ Bryan
Guest Historian Raymond Speer
 Cuba War 62  Fall of Britain
 Fascist Flight
 Gettysburg Prayer
 Pacific and Dixie
Alternate Historian Robbie Taylor
 2nd Coming  Canadian Rev
 Chdo Democracy  King Arthur II
 Lucifer Falls  Pete Best Story
 Protocols  Richard Tolman
 Sockless  Soviet America
 Speakers Line  The Sheridans
 The Baron  The Claw
 Warp  Welsh Wizards
Guest Historian Scott Palter
 WW2 Alt
Todayinah Editor Todayinah Ed.
 1860 Crisis  20c Rome
 American Heroes  Anschluss
 Bomber Harris  Business Plot
 Canadian Heroes  China 4ever
 Communist GB  Communist Israel
 Comrade Hiller  Comrade Stalin
 Co presidency  Deepwater
 Fed Lost Cause  Flugzeugtrager
 Glorious45  Good Old Willie
 Gor Smugglers  Happy Hitler
 Hitler Waxwork  Intrepid
 Iron Mare  Islamic America
 Israel's 60th  Jewish Hitler
 Kaiser Victory  Liberty Beacon
 Lloyd George  LOTR
 Madagscar Plan  Manhattan '46
 McBush  Midshipman GW
 Moonbase  No Apollo 1 Fire
 Obama  Peace City One
 POTUS TedK  POTUS Nathaniel
 Puritan World  Resource War
 Sitka  Southern Cross
 The Miracles  Tudor B*stards
 Tyrants  US is Born Again
 US Heroes  War on Terror +
 WhiteHouse Wimp  Wolfes Legacy
 Zoroastria
Guest Historian Zach Timmons
 Alt Indiana Jones
 Brett as 007

Archive Navigator

January February March
April May June
July August September
October November December

Editor's Postbag     |     Feed

All Postbag Items
Reader's Favourites
Baron Jean de Batz
Upper Carolina
Tokhtamysh Victorious
Comrade Stalin 3
Defenestration of Prague
Margaret of Anjou
Comrade Stalin 4
Nova Roma
Nixon killed
President Heston dies
Happy Endings 20
POTUS Howard Baker
King Arthur II
Haunting Ruin
Concert of Europe
King Henry IXth
Farthest West
Battle of Nafels
Cosmonaut Leonov
Space Age and Dog Years
Siege of Siena Lifted
Fed Lost Cause 4
Fed Lost Cause 3
Fall of Aquileia
President Ferraro
American Napoleon
Nieuw Zwolle
Steve Jobs, Google CEO
Battle of Lincoln
VP Herter
Plessy v. Ferguson
Malcolm X
Council of Pisa
Happy Endings 24
President Seward II
Breckinridge dies
President Seward
Fed Lost Cause 8
Mayor for Life
President Fonda
Fed Lost Cause 10
Madeleine Albright
Fed Lost Cause 7
Fast Heinz
Lewis and Clark
Fed Lost Cause 6
The Candyman
Fed Lost Cause 9
PM Beckett
Ellsberg Sentenced
PM Halifax
FBI Dir Burns
Fed Lost Cause 5
Sic semper tyrannis!
Lavoisier Survives
Monty in Berlin
Ethiopia Falls
3-term Truman
Fed Lost Cause 2
Orson Welles born
Happy Endings 23
The Oyster
Happy Endings Part 22
49th State, Redux
Birth of Flashman
Lake Peipus
Mission STS-51-L
Escape from Loch Leven Castle
Conte di Savoia
Fed Lost Cause 1
President Thornburgh
We, the People..
Maryland Secedes
Birth of Oliver Ellsworth
3-term Monroe

Site Meter


January 29



Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if the right to preach freely was discredited during the reformation? muses Jeff Provine on the This Day in Alternate History web site. Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the February 2011 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

Share this Article on: Facebook Twitter

In 1523, Central Europe looked to be a smoldering mass of corrupt indulgences and humanism, needing only a spark to explode into revolution.

Faber Out-Debates Zwingli In the Germanies, former monk Martin Luther had nailed his 95 Theses to the door of All Saints' Church, been excommunicated without much of a flinch, and stood before the Diet of Worms refusing to recant. Farther south in Switzerland, a similar surge of reform was welling in Zurich, where layman pastor Huldrych Zwingli (pictured) preached to his congregation against the corruption of the Church.

Unlike Luther, who had served as an Augustinian monk against his father's wishes, Zwingli had avoided monasticism despite the invitation of the Dominicans because of his father and uncle's disapproval. Instead, he attended university at Vienna and Basel, finishing his master's, and being ordained in Konstanz in 1506. He moved fairly often, continuing his learning and becoming disgusted with the politics of church and mercenaries that seemed to pervade Switzerland. A new story by Jeff ProvineFinally he settled in Zurich in 1519, where he began to diverge from proper Church teachings. He condemned veneration of the saints, described monks as decadent, affirmed that unbaptised children were not damned, and questioned tithing, hellfire, and excommunication. Zwingli and others petitioned for an end to clergy celibacy, and Zwingli himself married Anna Reinhard three months before their first child was born.

The petition caught the attention of the bishop of Zurich, who called upon the civil authorities to uphold order. Zwingli declared the Church corrupt, and the city council became caught in the middle. Hoping to clear the air before the Swiss Diet marched on Zurich to force restoration of order, the council invited the bishop and the unorthodox to a Disputation. The bishop sent Johann Faber and a delegation while Zwingli came himself, armed with his Schlussreden summarizing his theological views. Faber was forbidden to discuss theology with laymen, and so he had been unprepared for such deep discussion. Initially he decided to appeal only to the authority of the Church, but Zwingli's words pressed him to reply. In an hours-long impromptu speech, he addressed each one of Zwingli's sixty-seven articles and explained or discredited all of them.

Zwingli and his followers were shocked. The large crowd that had gathered spread the word of the failures of the "reformers," and support for Zwingli fell throughout the city. He attempted to reclaim his place by holding communion simply on grounds that the Eucharist was commemorative rather than substantial. The political gamble would prove a loss, and the tide of reformation would turn against him as the northern Swiss came to agree with reformed teachings by the Church. As the Peasants' War guided by the Anabaptists toward a Christian commonwealth went sour in Germany, another huge loss for Protestants sank its holdings in central Europe. Luther had separated himself from the Peasants' War, but his followers lost numbers as the writings of Johann Faber became more convincing.

Faber would go on to revitalize the Church in his new method of openly discussing theology. Ideals from Lutheranism such as the free reading of the Bible were taken and adapted toward a more unified Church standing. While indulgences would fall out of fashion, the Church would continue its nearly unquestioned position as guide of Christendom accepting petitions and minor reforms. Considered by many the instigator of what perilous times may have come, humanist Desiderius Erasmus was gradually eroded from the collective mind and replaced with Faber's sense of condemnation for heretics as outlined in his Malleus Haereticorum.

Faber was also instrumental in organizing the New Crusade against the Turks in the late 1520s, where his delegation to England convinced Henry VIII that time and prayer was needed for a male heir, proving correct in the birth of Henry IX in 1533, though at the cost of his beloved wife Catherine's life.


Entry posted by Guest Historian Jeff Provine Email the AuthorVisit the Authors Web Site © Jeff Provine, 2010-.
Story Tags Click on the hyperlinked metadata to surf the site! Permalinks: Post, Day. Browse Thread: Jeff Provine Blog Source: Jeff Provine’s Blog Labels: Zwingli , Faber, Europe, Revolution, Theses.

Todayinah Editor Editor says, in reality Johann Faber did not argue theologically, and Zwingli won his right to preach freely. The Second Disputation followed nine months later where Zwingli again rose in power. As Zurich and other Swiss cities diverged from the rest of the confederation, war became inevitable. Zwingli gathered allies and forged a defensive army to protect the right to preach, which led to the Wars of Kappel, where Zurich would be among those killed in the disastrous battle against Bern and its Five States. The Protestant right to preach would be fought over again in 1656 and finally won in 1712 in the Wars of Vilmergen. Faber, meanwhile, would go on to be chaplain to Ferdinand I of Austria, for whom he would unsuccessfully campaign for a crusade, and Bishop of Vienna, where he would write many works opposing the growing Reformation.


Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2011-02-03 03:28:37 ~ This would have had an awful lot of knock-on effects on the history of thought.

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2011-02-03 13:03:11 ~ "[Faber} addressed each one of Zwingli's sixty-seven articles and explained or discredited all of them"? Catholic wish fulfillment. If it had been that easy tpo discredit Protestantism, the Counter-reformation would have succeeded and both Europe and America today wuld answer to the Holy See. Surely Faber's confrontation with Zwingli wasn't the Catholic Church's last chance to argue its position.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2011-02-03 17:01:12 ~ Faber did write prolifically later on defending Catholicism / attacking Protestantism, but what might have been poignant arguments then were largely overlooked by the time Luther's foot was fully in the door.







© Today in Alternate History, 2013-. All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.