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Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if another accident taken his accidency? muses Robbie Taylor. Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the March 2013 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 1848, former US President John Winston Jones died on this day in Petersburg, Virginia. He was fifty-six years old.

President Jones passes awayFour years earlier, President John Tyler, who had himself been raised to the presidency by the death of his predecessor William Harrison, was killed by the explosion of an experimental cannon aboard the USS Princeton.

Tyler had no vice-president to succeed him, so the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Virginian John Winston Jones, assumed the high office.

President Jones, who had been planning on retiring, found that the power of the presidency was quite intoxicating, and used the influence he had as the incumbent to secure the Democratic Party's nomination for the 1844 elections. He won against the Whig candidate, Senator Henry Clay, in a hotly contested and close election. His stridently pro-Southern policies rubbed the northern states the wrong way, and Henry Clay, although a Southerner himself, used this disaffection to hobble Jones' power. The conflict between them is widely attributed to the shortening of Jones' life, something Clay expressed little remorse over in later years

When President Jones resigned due to ill health [1], his vice-president, James K. Polk, assumed office in the middle of a war with Mexico and widespread dissatisfaction with the government. Polk's mismanagement of the Mexican War led to a wave of secessions from states bordering Mexico, and the diminishment of the once-bright shining star of the US.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in reality an experimental gun on USS Princeton exploded while the boat was on a Potomac River cruise, killing eight people, including two United States Cabinet members. However President Tyler survived. [1] in the original post by Robbie, he dies in 1847 not on this OTL demise.


Readers Comment Chris Oakley commented on 2013-02-28 14:47:54 ~ We should call this the "Murphy's Law" timeline. :D

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2013-03-01 02:05:51 ~ Anything thatcan go wrong will.

Readers Comment Robbie Taylor commented on 2013-03-01 12:42:23 ~ Actually, there was some controversy over the succession of even the vice-president to the presidency - some of the cabinet members even thought they should be running the show. I went with this causing a clarification in line of succession that put the Speaker behind the VP.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2013-03-13 17:44:48 ~ The presidency may be seen as cursed... good grounds for a secession movement.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what Ron Paul's job was to protect the moon base? (during the Jacksonville debate he reflected upon his early career ambition to serve as a doctor in space). Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the February 2011 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 1963, despite the very best efforts of young Flight Surgeon Ronald E. Paul, the commander of the XVIII Airborne Corps William Westmoreland expired in Saigon after choking on a chicken bone.

Lunar Liberty Part 2Of course within four years, his more capable successor General Creighton Abrams had delivered an emphatic American victory in Vietnam. And re-elected President Johnson and his successor Hubert Humphrey were fortunate to have the opportunity to pursue non-militaristic adventures.

One of which, the Space Programme greatly excited Surgeon Paul. He dreamt of serving as the first doctor on a manned spaceflight. In the event, Johnson, Humphrey and Paul overachieved, and by the year 2000 Paul was the Chief Medical Officer of the Lunar Colony.

He stayed on after retirement, becoming a libertarian spokesman as the moon's population approached the magic thirteen thousand target required for an application for Statehood recognition.
This post is an article from the Lunar Liberty thread.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in preparing this article we received some great advice and guidance from Scott Palter.


Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2012-01-30 00:03:31 ~ This would have been a much better TL than our own.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2012-01-31 15:55:14 ~ Wonder if there would be "retirement" on the Moon or if the young colony would keep him working, at least in an Elder adviser position.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if the right to preach freely was discredited during the reformation? muses Jeff Provine on the This Day in Alternate History web site. Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the February 2011 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 1523, Central Europe looked to be a smoldering mass of corrupt indulgences and humanism, needing only a spark to explode into revolution.

Faber Out-Debates Zwingli In the Germanies, former monk Martin Luther had nailed his 95 Theses to the door of All Saints' Church, been excommunicated without much of a flinch, and stood before the Diet of Worms refusing to recant. Farther south in Switzerland, a similar surge of reform was welling in Zurich, where layman pastor Huldrych Zwingli (pictured) preached to his congregation against the corruption of the Church.

Unlike Luther, who had served as an Augustinian monk against his father's wishes, Zwingli had avoided monasticism despite the invitation of the Dominicans because of his father and uncle's disapproval. Instead, he attended university at Vienna and Basel, finishing his master's, and being ordained in Konstanz in 1506. He moved fairly often, continuing his learning and becoming disgusted with the politics of church and mercenaries that seemed to pervade Switzerland. A new story by Jeff ProvineFinally he settled in Zurich in 1519, where he began to diverge from proper Church teachings. He condemned veneration of the saints, described monks as decadent, affirmed that unbaptised children were not damned, and questioned tithing, hellfire, and excommunication. Zwingli and others petitioned for an end to clergy celibacy, and Zwingli himself married Anna Reinhard three months before their first child was born.

The petition caught the attention of the bishop of Zurich, who called upon the civil authorities to uphold order. Zwingli declared the Church corrupt, and the city council became caught in the middle. Hoping to clear the air before the Swiss Diet marched on Zurich to force restoration of order, the council invited the bishop and the unorthodox to a Disputation. The bishop sent Johann Faber and a delegation while Zwingli came himself, armed with his Schlussreden summarizing his theological views. Faber was forbidden to discuss theology with laymen, and so he had been unprepared for such deep discussion. Initially he decided to appeal only to the authority of the Church, but Zwingli's words pressed him to reply. In an hours-long impromptu speech, he addressed each one of Zwingli's sixty-seven articles and explained or discredited all of them.

Zwingli and his followers were shocked. The large crowd that had gathered spread the word of the failures of the "reformers," and support for Zwingli fell throughout the city. He attempted to reclaim his place by holding communion simply on grounds that the Eucharist was commemorative rather than substantial. The political gamble would prove a loss, and the tide of reformation would turn against him as the northern Swiss came to agree with reformed teachings by the Church. As the Peasants' War guided by the Anabaptists toward a Christian commonwealth went sour in Germany, another huge loss for Protestants sank its holdings in central Europe. Luther had separated himself from the Peasants' War, but his followers lost numbers as the writings of Johann Faber became more convincing.

Faber would go on to revitalize the Church in his new method of openly discussing theology. Ideals from Lutheranism such as the free reading of the Bible were taken and adapted toward a more unified Church standing. While indulgences would fall out of fashion, the Church would continue its nearly unquestioned position as guide of Christendom accepting petitions and minor reforms. Considered by many the instigator of what perilous times may have come, humanist Desiderius Erasmus was gradually eroded from the collective mind and replaced with Faber's sense of condemnation for heretics as outlined in his Malleus Haereticorum.

Faber was also instrumental in organizing the New Crusade against the Turks in the late 1520s, where his delegation to England convinced Henry VIII that time and prayer was needed for a male heir, proving correct in the birth of Henry IX in 1533, though at the cost of his beloved wife Catherine's life.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in reality Johann Faber did not argue theologically, and Zwingli won his right to preach freely. The Second Disputation followed nine months later where Zwingli again rose in power. As Zurich and other Swiss cities diverged from the rest of the confederation, war became inevitable. Zwingli gathered allies and forged a defensive army to protect the right to preach, which led to the Wars of Kappel, where Zurich would be among those killed in the disastrous battle against Bern and its Five States. The Protestant right to preach would be fought over again in 1656 and finally won in 1712 in the Wars of Vilmergen. Faber, meanwhile, would go on to be chaplain to Ferdinand I of Austria, for whom he would unsuccessfully campaign for a crusade, and Bishop of Vienna, where he would write many works opposing the growing Reformation.


Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2011-02-03 03:28:37 ~ This would have had an awful lot of knock-on effects on the history of thought.

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2011-02-03 13:03:11 ~ "[Faber} addressed each one of Zwingli's sixty-seven articles and explained or discredited all of them"? Catholic wish fulfillment. If it had been that easy tpo discredit Protestantism, the Counter-reformation would have succeeded and both Europe and America today wuld answer to the Holy See. Surely Faber's confrontation with Zwingli wasn't the Catholic Church's last chance to argue its position.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2011-02-03 17:01:12 ~ Faber did write prolifically later on defending Catholicism / attacking Protestantism, but what might have been poignant arguments then were largely overlooked by the time Luther's foot was fully in the door.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if President John McCain kept his campaign pledge to capture Osama Bin Laden? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 2010, on this day senior executives of iRobot, Inc. joined US President John S. McCain on the White House Lawn to showcase the latest PackBot model which had finally brought Osama Bin Laden to justice. Having exhausted the supply of friendly Af-Pak allies on the border zone, it was both expedient and also fitting that American technological prowess had finally located the robe-wearing, cave-dwelling head of al-qaeda.

The Gates of HellIn fact unmanned vehicles had located Bin Laden on numerous occasions in 2000-2001 as he shuttled between training camps in Afghanistan. Trouble was, that the predator drones were at that time unarmed and therefore the US military was unable to seize the opportunity to strike. "I will look you in the eye and promise you that I will get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice"Shortly after he fled to Bora-Bora, Afghan allies were used to scout down caves. And when America ran out of willing scouts, robotic technology took their place.

Bin Laden now faced an extended period of captivity in enemy hands. Which ironically was a fate that had befallen McCain himself when his A-4E Skyhawk was shot down by a missile over Hanoi on October 26th 1967.

The very few peace doves in the administration would now argue that it was time to close the book on Afghanistan, by offering the Taliban a power-share in government subject only to a moratorium on ground operations.


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Readers Comment Stan Brin commented on 2010-01-28 03:29:59 ~ I would like to ask -- who programmed the positronic brain?

Readers Comment Todayinah Ed. commented on 2010-01-28 03:34:03 ~ Yes there are subtextual references to Asimov and the Terminator (Miles Dyson!) although iRobot really is the name of the company.

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2010-01-28 03:49:21 ~ Does this robot obey the Three Laws of Robotics? Or the ones programmed in by the corporation in _Robocop?_

Readers Comment Stan Brin commented on 2010-01-28 09:13:12 ~ No Comment

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2010-01-28 13:25:35 ~ This assumes bin Laden is still alive. I'm not sure he actually is: I can't help noticing how for years now each new "appearance" by him has been via audiotape, with no pictures. What if his lieutenants are manufacturing the audio to keep his legend alive?

Readers Comment Chris Oakley commented on 2010-01-28 14:17:44 ~ Good question...

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2010-10-29 17:34:41 ~ Going overtly toward robotic warfare, just like Tesla wanted back in WW1. Could be a big push for more robots to replace expensive health care among troops, and the long-range term would be robot foot soldiers. There might not be a war of resistance against machines themselves, but perhaps against whoever is controlling these machines.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Bonne Prince Charlie had been offered, but refused the American Crown? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 1820, the deposed former King George III of England dies at Windsor Castle.

Tory Counter-revolution
by Eric Lipps
His son, George IV, has been ruling since the success of the Whig Revolution of 1796, when a cabal led by Edmund Burke, Charles James Fox and the younger William Pitt forced George III to abdicate. The royal powers and prerogatives of the younger George have been largely usurped by Parliament, which is determined to avoid a repetition of what it considers the disastrous reign of his father. King George has never been permitted to forget that he owes his position to Parliament and that Parliament can, if it chooses, depose him as it did his father. That knowledge has made him a diffident ruler.

However, conservatives have begun scheming for a restoration of the absolute monarchy of pre-revolutionary times. Believing that parliamentary supremacy has encouraged what they perceive as the growing "impudence" of the American colonies, where revolutionary sentiment is still being fanned by such figures as the exiled Thomas Jefferson, now living in Paris, they are plotting to depose Charles IV and install a monarch of their own choice in a "Tory counter-revolution". Moreover, they believe that George IV's weakness has hampered Britain in its dealings with Napoleon, whose French Empire, largely unopposed by Britain, has become the pre-eminent power on the Continent and is working to detach the largely French-speaking province of Quebec from British-ruled Canada.

Prominent among the conspirators are a number of influential proponents of a Stuart restoration. Their choice to replace Charles IV is Charles Edward Stuart (pictured), illegitimate son of Charlotte Stuart (herself the illegitimate daughter of the previous Charles Edward Stuart, known as "Bonnie Prince Charlie" to his partisans) and Ferdinand de Rohan, Archbishop of Bordeaux and Cambrai. Now thirty-five years old, the prince is seen as a legitimate heir on the basis of claims that Charlotte herself had been acknowledged by her father.

Ultimately, however, the plot will come to nothing, and the "bastard prince Charlie" - as detractors quickly name him - will leave England in 1822 for the American colonies, taking up residence in Philadelphia under the assumed name of Charles de Roehenstart, a pseudonym derived from "de Rohan" and "Stuart". He will provide financial backing for the construction of the earliest railroad in America, which opens for passenger service in June 1831. In 1854, now a very wealthy man, he will return to Scotland, where he will die, on October 28 of that year, in a carriage accident.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, The September 2008 Edition of History Magazine included a feature article 'Trouble in Parliament' in which William Stroock looks at the Whigs' opposition to King George III on the eve of the American Revolution. In this post we look at a changed scenario for William Pitt, Edmund Burke and Charles James Fox where the American Revolution inspires the Whigs to challenge for the mastery of the British State itself.
Eric Oppen suggested a reference to Bonnie Prince Charlie's refusal of the American crown, and Eric Lipps has been kind enough to write this terrific post.


Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2012-01-30 00:58:15 ~ I take it the '45 never happened? After the '45, BPCharlie was racked with guilt over the men he'd led to their doom, and took to serious, heavy drinking. One reason it was hard to take Jacobitism seriously in the latter 18th century was watching the Stuart claimant starting the day with a big bottle of booze, to go on and drink even more during the day. And for there to be serious talk about a Stuart restoration, Henry Stuart needs to have an accident, preferably before he accepts the cardinal's hat. Anti-Catholicism was part-and-parcel of British nationalism at that time.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2012-01-31 16:16:47 ~ The Catholicism issue would be a major problem in the colonies, too. Heck, it was an issue in 1960 with Kennedy.


In 1820, King George III of England dies at Windsor Castle.

His son George, Prince of Wales, who has been serving as the de facto monarch for the past ten years, will be crowned King George IV. The succession will be greeted with a sense of relief throughout the British Empire, for the old king had been ill for a decade, during which Prince George had served as regent.

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King George III

And in the American colonies, the death of George III will be quietly celebrated, for many older Americans still remember with bitterness the exploitive economic measures he and his Parliament instituted beginning in the 1750s, which had led to the unsuccessful colonial revolt of the mid-1770s, and the repression which had followed the rebellion. The jackbooted, red-uniformed 'Order Police' established in the colonies after the uprising are still a feared and hated presence there, and it is quietly hoped that the new king may withdraw them.


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On this day in 1967, heavy rains forced the postponement of NASA's Apollo 1 test mission.

The postponement turned out to be a fortunate one for Apollo 1's crew; a routine inspection of the capsule the next morning revealed defects in the Apollo 1 command module's electrical systems that could have potentially started an onboard fire and killed her crew.

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Crew

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In 1963, the Senate convenes to take up the question of impeaching President Kennedy for his 'illegal' use of federal troops in the South during the anti-integration violence of October 1962. Media coverage since the dual House votes authorizing impeachment of Kennedy and Chief Justice Earl Warren has been highly sensationalistic and has divided sharply along ideological and regional lines, with most coverage in the states south of the Mason-Dixon line favorable to impeachment and most in the North against it.

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Earl Warren

The decision to put the President's trial first represents a tactical victory for opponents of his and Warren's impeachment. They hope that if Kennedy is acquitted, as they expect will probably happen, the trial of Warren will seem pointless and may even be dropped. Even if that does not happen, backers of Kennedy and Warren expect JFK's acquittal to weaken the hand of Senate conservatives enough to ensure that Warren, too, is acquitted.

There is an air of crisis on both sides, a sense that the events of the next few weeks may be pivotal in the history of the United States.


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Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2009-01-30 20:18:14 ~ Author's note: This event occurs in a timeline in which President Harry S Truman, on his last full day in office, issued an executive pardon to Alger Hiss, touching off a conservative reaction which turned American history to the right for many years. In this history, October 1962 is infamous not for a Cuban missile crisis, since President Kennedy, under heavy pressure, supported the Bay of Pigs landing with a full-scale U.S. invasion which deposed Fidel Castro and returned General Fulgencio Batista to power, but for savage anti-integration rioting throughout the southern U.S. following the attempted entry of James Meredith into the University of Mississippi. Conservatives, furious at Kennedy for using federal troops to put down the rioting and at Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren for the Brown vs. Board of Education decision which had led to Meredith's attempt to enter UMiss, have gathered the votes to attempt to remove both men from office.


In 1923, Kurt Weimer commissions young lieutenant Adolf Hitler as a general of the German Army.

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In 1980, the Republican presidential candidates face off in their first debate, in New Hampshire. Originally sponsored by the Nashua Telegraph newspaper as a two-man debate between leading contenders Ronald Reagan and George Bush, the debate almost does not happen after the Federal Election Commission issues a surprise ruling that newspaper sponsorship will amount to an illegal campaign contribution. Following the ruling, Reagan had offered to split the tab with Bush; when Bush refused, Reagan had paid for the event himself.

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At the last moment, the Reagan campaign decides to invite the other four candidates, without informing Bush. When the four unscheduled candidates arrive, moderator Jon Breen of the Telegraph refuses to change the debate's format to accommodate them, prompting Reagan to shout angrily, 'I'm paying for this microphone, Mr. Green!' - -getting he moderator's name wrong.

Eventually the other candidates agree to leave, and the two-man debate proceeds. According to polls taken just after the event, Reagan is perceived as having won.

Asked his opinion of the Republican debate by reporters, President Edward M. Kennedy observes, 'Of course Governor Reagan won. He paid for the microphone, after all.' Kennedy reminds his questioners that Reagan had actually paid the entire cost of the debate, leaving the impression that he had purchased the outcome as well.


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In 1820, the madness of King George III came to an end when the rebel Duke of Wellington, Arthur Wellesley, deposed and executed him.

King Arthur II claimed to be descended from the King Arthur of legend, even going so far as to forge an Excalibur to wield at official occasions. Parliament was unwilling to give up as much power to him as he was demanding, and a new civil war broke out, ending Arthur's reign in 1823.

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In 2005, Jeanna Best finds herself unusually attracted to her boss, Jack Armstrong. She hangs on his every word at work, and finds herself gazing longingly at him whenever he passes by. Which is unusual, as she had never had such feelings for him before. She tries to shake herself out of it, but can't. After work, she calls Dave Lange, who tells her that he has been having similar feelings towards several people. They think those people must be 'claws,' and this must be the result of the speech they heard from J. Burton Howell.

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In 2001, the Soviet States of America began bombing runs of cities in the People's Republic of America, the breakaway states along the Pacific Northwest. The loss of civilian lives during these runs caused protests in both the S.S.A. and the P.R.A., but the tactic continued until the end of the war.

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In 1918, when the ship they are traveling on docks on the American coast, Mikhail von Heflin and Velma Porter disembark and head to the nearest bank. The Baron wants to consult with a few friends who he knows from this time period, and his wife has no objections. Unknown to them both, they are tailed by Milo Cranston, who has an unusual curiosity about them.

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In 1904, geneticists on earth, having surreptitiously gained a sample of DNA from the aliens coming from the Mlosh homeworld, discover that it is 70% similar to the DNA of the Mlosh on earth. They encode this on a probe and send it to the embassy ship to let them know that they are among Mlosh cousins, but not actual Mlosh themselves.

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In 47,372 BCE, Swikolay and her companions reach the Arabian Sea. For a few hours, the Speaker's great-granddaughter is tempted to construct more boats, but her grandson's story of the trip that night around their campfire is enough to convince her to stay on land.

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In 1947, comic genius Arthur Miller hit paydirt again with his play All My Sons, which opened to rave reviews and huge audiences on Broadway. A radio show based on the play followed, and it even became a hit television series that ran from 1954-1960.

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In 1977, comic Freddie Prinze, battling overwhelming feelings of depression, checked himself into rehab. His inability to perform in his hit show Chico and the Man led to the show's canceling, which left him looking for work when he checked himself out. He embarked on his Sober tour in the summer, and the live album of his act in San Diego went multi-platinum and gave his career some much-needed resuscitation.

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In 1958, puritan witch-hunters capture the demon Charles Starkweather ending a killing spree of 11 victims in Nebraska and Wyoming during a road trip with his under-age girlfriend Caril Ann Fugate.

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In 1845, more good fortune fell on author Edgar Allan Poe with the publication of his poem The Raven. Poe, the adopted son of a Virginian millionaire, was the luckiest boy at his military academy, always winning at the illicit games he started, and never getting caught running them. With the publication of The Raven in the New York Evening Mirror, he began an unbroken streak of successful novels, story collections and poems.

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Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if King Charles VI died in 1393? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 1393, King Charles VI of France was killed when several dancers' costumes caught fire during a masquerade ball.

Charles the Mad Killed in Tragedy in the House of ValoisQueen Isabeau de Baviere had organised the party for the marriage of one of her ladies-in-waiting. The King and five other Lords had dressed as wild men. One other lord approached them with a lighted torch and soon some of the men caught fire.

Since he had no living heir, the throne passed to his brother Louis Duke of Orleans.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in reality the King was saved by the Duchess of Berry who covered him with her dress while four of the lords died. The author of the original article suggests that this transition butterflies away Henry's V invasion in 1420 the battle of Agincourt and the treaty of Troyes.


Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2013-01-29 06:08:49 ~ Did he have a jester called Hop-Toad who had a severe grudge against him?

Readers Comment Jackie Rose commented on 2013-01-29 12:38:36 ~ If he really was mad, then his death must have been a benefit to his country.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Henry VIII had been elected Holy Roman Emperor? muses Jeff Provine on the This Day in Alternate History web site. Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the February 2013 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 1547, after serving as Holy Roman Emperor for almost thirty years, Henry Tudor died at the Palace of Whitehall. He was fifty-five years old.

Death of Henry Tudor, Holy Roman EmperorAfter the death of Archduke of Austria, King of the Romans, and Holy Roman Emperor Maximilian I in January of 1519, many of his titles went directly by inheritance to his Habsburg grandson Charles V. The title emperor, however, would be given by decision of the seven elector-princes of the Germans, Albert of Mainz; Richard von Greiffenklau zu Vollrads of Trier; Hermann of Wied of Cologne; Frederick III of Saxony; Joachim I of Brandenburg; Louis V, Elector Palatine; and Louis II Jagiellon, King of Bohemia. Charles was most obvious choice as brother-in-law to Louis of Bohemia, but others were nervous about too much power being placed in one man's hands. Along with his grandfather's titles, Charles had also recently inherited the title "King of Spain", which he ruled alongside his mother, Joanna the Mad of Castile.

Francis I of France also wished to hold the powerful title, rejoining lands that had all once been Carolingian. Francis and Charles were bitter rivals since a French victory at the Battle of Marignano the year before brought the twenty-one-year-old Francis to the forefront of European politics. The two began a bribing war for votes, which made some electors all the more nervous. Ideally, a German would be emperor, which was suggested to Fredrick of Saxony, but he refused. Another possibility for the election was Henry VIII of England, but he did not have nearly the money or influence to compete with the Bourbons of France and all the holdings of the Habsburgs. The decision seemed to settle toward Charles until Cardinal Thomas Woolsey, the Lord Chancellor who had conducted matters of state for the young Henry, presented in secret a new plan: Francis use his influence to support Henry's election. Francis, though disappointed that he would not win the title, was at least satisfied that Charles would be deprived of it. The electors were amiable toward an English king (since at least they could relate the language to German) and were more comfortable with a less overwhelming force. The election of Henry was announced to the shock of Europe and instant dismay of Habsburg-supporters.

A new article by Jeff ProvineIn 1520, Francis and Henry met in a garish display at the Camp du Drap d'Or ("Field of the Cloth of Gold") in northern France as Henry began a tour of his new lands. Wolsey orchestrated this meeting as well, but it proved ineffectual as, despite Francis' generosity, Henry declined forging an alliance. Wolsey, who was quietly campaigning for himself as pope, also organized a meeting with Charles while in Germany, but this meeting also came to no avail. Instead, Europe was in a tense peace as Henry threatened to attack whoever began a war.

Meanwhile, Henry focused on the problems of the Reformation beginning in his new empire. Reacting to the sale of indulgences as part of the funding for construction on St. Peter's Basilica, Augustinian friar Martin Luther had posted Ninety-Five Theses critiquing the Catholic Church. During the latter part of Henry's tour in 1521, he heard Luther's case at Worms. In the end, and to the frustration of Pope Leo X, Henry determined to appease his subjects and declared the matter religious debate and did not seek any punishment for him. The support for Luther won over the respect of disgruntled knights in the Rhineland who were nervous of new money but reaffirmed by Henry out of his fanaticism for jousting. The knights' loyalty proved key to Henry's defeat of the German Peasants' Uprising a few years later.

Despite his great realms, Henry struggled to produce an heir. His wife, Catherine of Aragon, six years his senior, had not had a pregnancy since the birth of their daughter Mary. Henry had become fascinated with one of Catherine's maidens, Anne Boleyn. Anne refused to become a mistress and replied that she could only meet Henry's advances if she were queen. Henry asked Pope Clement VII for an annulment of his marriage as Catherine had earlier been married to his brother Arthur, but the pope declined. After the debate dragged for years, Henry decided to break with Rome as the Swedes has had done, name himself Supreme Head of the Church of England in 1533, and bring about his marriage to Anne.

This led to the question of what to do with his holdings in the Holy Roman Empire. Catholic regions saw Henry as an adulterer, but the Protestants saw a chance for freedom from Rome. When Henry dissolved the monasteries of England and seized their valuables, Charles took a stand as defender of Catholicism and invaded the Holy Roman Empire to seize the title he long believed to have been stolen. Henry counterattacked with Swedish assistance, and the war spilled across the Alps as Italian states saw a chance to rebel. Germany served as the principal battleground with towns razed and re-razed as Protestant and Catholic armies carried on campaigns. France attempted to remain neutral as internal strife with the Huguenots grew up, and eventually Francis I determined a policy of religious freedom to maintain his allies. The war threatened to expand further with an unprecedented alliance with Suleiman the Magnificent of the Ottoman Empire who had previously besieged Vienna and threatened Hungary, and Charles knew when to capitulate and agreed to a treaty.

Upon the death of Henry in 1547, the electors met again and, thanks to Henry's urgings, named his son Edward VI of England as the new, ten-year-old emperor. Edward proved a great mover in Protestantism, but he was sickly, dying in 1553. His half-sister Mary ascended the throne of England; the electors, however, could not have a female emperor and instead chose Henry II of France, whose consort Catherine de Medici had great influence and policies of religious tolerance were a healthy compromise between electors optioning Protestant King Christian of Denmark or staunchly Catholic Habsburg Ferdinand I. Bourbons continued to be Holy Roman Emperors until 1685 when Louis XIV worked to affirm his autocracy by promoting Catholicism as the single state religion. Many Protestants fled to Germany, but when Louis began to enact strict religious rule in the Empire as well, the electors refused and stripped him of his title. The Franco-German War brought about a liberated Germany at the expense of France. The electors named Frederick, King in Prussia, as emperor; Augustus II of Saxony, King of Poland, also stood had allegiances outside of Germany, and the time had come for German self-rule. United Germany became a powerful central figure in Europe, leading modernization and industrialization through the next two centuries.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in reality there was no alliance between Francis I and Henry VIII, even at the later a lavish meeting at the Field of the Cloth of Gold. Wars between Catholics and Protestants would flare up in Germany to a height in the Thirty Years War (1618-1648). The Habsburgs held onto the Holy Roman Empire nearly continuously for hundreds of years until it was dissolved by Napoleon in 1806.


Readers Comment Jackie Rose commented on 2013-01-28 11:43:47 ~ Bottom line: Without Bloody Mary to turn England against the Catholic Church, the Catholics and Protestants avoid their constant conflict, which led directly to the Glorious Revolution and the Jacobite Revolt, among other Bad Things. Sounds good to me...especially since Bonnie Prince Charlie will succeed to the throne, as the grandson of James II, who, of course, will not be driven into exile because of his Catholic faith.

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2013-01-28 18:46:55 ~ Henry VIII as HRE? WHOAH! Great idea! I wish I'd thought of it myself! He wouldn't have nearly as many problems with the Pope, would he? And the French would be shaking in their boots. Henry never gave up the dream of getting back the lost French lands.

Readers Comment Matthew Dattilo commented on 2013-01-30 13:16:07 ~ Maybe Pope Clement would have granted Henry an annulment had he been HRE?




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Hitler had lost the Battle of France? muses Ed & Scott Palter. Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 1965, on this day Maxime Weygand hero of the Battle of France died in Paris aged ninety-eight.

General Weygand passes awayHe was appointed Général d'armée before the outbreak of war. Because in February 1940 [1], Édouard Daladier resigned as Prime Minister in France and was replaced with Paul Reynaud who immediately substituted Maurice Gamelin with Weygand. It was fortunate for the Western allies because Weygand returned from Syria just in time to launch the crucial counter attacks that saved France.

Weygand refused the Breda variant and kept the French 7th Army in reserve. The 7th Army under Girard screened the breech long enough to get French 1st, BEF and the Belgians out of the bag. Also Weygand for the June campaign found the solution to the panzer blitz - going back to WW1 style wired in battalion standpoints.

The Germans did get field victories like the Michael 1918 campaign but never quite managed to break the line. And they ran out of time. By summer the West was producing more planes and tanks than Hitler and succeeded in winning the battle of attrition for the balance of the year. Hitler's gamble had failed. A full essay France 1940 by Scott Palter on this scenario is available at Changing the Times.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in reality he initially fought against the Germans during the invasion of France in 1940, but then surrendered to and collaborated with the Germans as part of the Vichy France regime.
[1] the point of departure is the French Government falls a month earlier.


Readers Comment Chris Oakley commented on 2013-01-27 20:46:35 ~ If only...

Readers Comment Jared Myers commented on 2013-01-28 17:12:37 ~ Does Hitler get removed from power, or does he stay in Berlin with his imperial ambitions crushed?

Readers Comment Jackie Rose commented on 2013-01-28 17:37:59 ~ On the other hand, John, Stauffenberg DID lead such a coup when it was clear that Germany was losing, but his attempt failed.

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2013-01-29 02:53:45 ~ Hitler would have been out of office, one way or another, and the new German government would be much more ready to compromise, and mean it this time.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2013-02-03 14:40:03 ~ Would that it were. What an embarrassment it would've been!




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if the Tudors had failed? muses Robbie Taylor. Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the February 2012 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 1457, Henry Tudor, pretender to the throne of Richard III, was born in Pembroke, Wales.

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Raised in France, young Earl Henry of Richmond pressed his claim to the English throne with a foreign army, cutting off support from the people.

Richard III, a popular king who had dealt justly with noble and commoner alike, took advantage of his support among the people to crush Henry at the battle of Bosworth Field, ending the famed War of the Roses between the Yorkist and Lancastrian branches of the Plantaganet line.


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Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2012-01-28 07:19:37 ~ For this to have worked, it would have helped if Richard's wife and son had lived; both had died not long before Bosworth and I think he was in no emotional condition for a campaign. Also, if Edward V and his brother had both died before their father did of unimpeachably natural causes, Richard would have had a much firmer grip on the throne. Lots of people had been drooling over the "possibilities" of a minority, and had been disappointed by Richard's seizure of the throne.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2012-01-31 15:38:28 ~ Having a wife and son would also have been key to ensuring Richard's line continued, which would have given him much more security. Meanwhile, we'd still have Tudors popping up like Stuarts every once in a while from France.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if the earlier collapse of Communism transformed international relations? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 1993, the man who had acted as go-between for Oarsman and Goatherd when Oarsman recruited Goatherd to the Wilson assassination plot died in Paris after a seven-year battle with cancer.

Necessary Evil Death of the Go-BetweenWhat distinguished this MI-6 agent, formerly known to his co-conspirators as "Tinkerer", from his fellow plotters was not only that he had died of natural causes but also that he had stayed in Britain for years after the assassination, leaving the country only when a personal business venture collapsed. Settling in France under an alias, Tinkerer's proficiency with disguises enabled him to fool his neighbors-- not to mention Interpol --to the point where one day he even shared lunch with one of the very Scotland Yard detectives sent to France and other parts of continental Europe to investigate his ties to Oarsman and his escape from Britain.


Not until 2001, when an ITV news researcher uncovered previously lost letters between Oarsman and Tinkerer, did anyone even begin to suspect the truth about Tinkerer's departure to France. And even then much of his role in the assassination conspiracy remained hidden from the public eye; only after the Blair government's 2004-05 inquiry into Wilson's murder was the full story of Tinkerer's actions finally brought to light.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if the Carnegie Institution for Science really was dedicated to the improvement of mankind? muses Jeff Provine on the This Day in Alternate History web site. Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the February 2011 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 1902, on this day the Carnegie Institution for Science (in Man) was founded.

Carnegie Institution for Science (in Man) FoundedFamed industrialist Andrew Carnegie founded many institutions to promote education, art, free libraries, and technological development. Most famed would be his Institute for Science in Washington, D.C., to which he would give, along with $10,000,000 in registered bonds yielding five percent interest per year, the instruction, "that the objects in the corporation shall be to encourage in the broadest and most liberal manner investigation, research, and discovery, and the application of knowledge to the improvement of man".

A new story by Jeff ProvineThe twenty-four trustees on the board would determine toward what the investigation and research would be, and, soon after the endowment, an argument broke out over the Scotsman's choice of the word "man". First President Daniel Coit Gilman (later to be founder of the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine) held that the word should be taken literally to mean the betterment of the human body. Others thought more figuratively, expecting the institutional grants to go toward more widespread sciences such as astronomy and materials science. It was rumored that Gilman demanded those who disagree ask Carnegie for a clarification, which no one did for fear it would insult his accent or make them look foolish. Whatever the reality, Gilman eventually won the argument, and the dedicated sciences toward the improvement of humans began.

In their first years, the Institute worked with research in determining the proper activity and diet of individuals. Healthy consumption of eggs and milk in prisons outlined the need for what would become known as Vitamin D as well as the general knowledge of vegetables and fruits opposing rich foods, leading to problems such as diabetes and gout. They duplicated much of the research of Dutch scientist Christiaan Eijkman performed in the 1880s on animals and began a mutually beneficial discourse with British doctor Frederick Hopkins. Building from the research, the Institute helped to design numerous meal programs for schools and workers across the nation, along with publishing articles to help families live their healthiest. Production of pills and oils containing the necessary vitamins and minerals

National health improved overall with statistical visits to doctors much decreased. In 1907, Carnegie gave the Institute an additional $2,000,000 to keep up the good work, and they launched into further programs. Over the course of the next decades, the Institute would merge with the Eugenics Record Office of New York and employ numerous anthropologists in determining how to cure hereditary disease. The growth of science in the Netherlands and Nazi Germany found another great connection for human improvement, and the Institute worked diligently to assist in the development of testosterone for medical use. In 1944, with the discovery of the source of much of the experimental date in concentration camps, the Institute fell into a public relations nightmare. President Margaret Sanger (who also served as chairperson of the Birth Control Council of America) handled the situation carefully, denouncing Nazi extremes while upholding what might be done for future generations regardless of race.

Since World War II, the Institute has been instrumental in generating the modern cocktail of vitamins, steroids, physical education, and dietary control that has benefitted man. While the average male height in 1900 was approximately 5'8", it is today 6'3", with the typical time of running a mile at around five and a half minutes. The Institute continues many projects in research for the future, working to increase longevity toward a lifespan of 200 years and to cure cancers and genetic weaknesses through viral therapies. Of course, with such a surge of improved humans, population control has become an integral matter, and sterilization toxins are known to be placed in water-systems worldwide with reversal treatments available primarily to those in the First World.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in reality Carnegie's instruction concluded, "to the improvement of mankind". While dabbling in eugenics during its popular period between the wars, CIW ended its Department of Genetics in 1944. The CIW researches numerous fields such as plant molecular biology, developmental biology, global ecology, astronomy, astrobiology, and many others.


Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2011-01-30 06:16:16 ~ This sounds like something out of _Time for the Stars_.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Stan McChrystal ran for the White House in 2012? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 2012, on this day shocking new evidence that Barack Obama was born in Kenya, combined with ongoing difficulties in withdrawing US forces from Afghanistan contributed to Stan McChrystal's unexpectedly strong showing in the South Carolina Democratic primary, an unexpected outcome which opened the door to a senior position in the President's second term.

Natural Born CitizenThe General had famously quit the US military after being fired by Obama for sharing his private thoughts with a reporter from Rolling Stone Magazine. Recalled to Washington, McChrystal had refused to apologise for saying what he thought, a candid approach which was central to his Presidential campaign.

The emphasis that he was a natural born American re-opened the controversial claim that Obama was born in Kenya, which if proven would prevent his re-election under the Article II "natural born Citizen" provision and also the Fourteenth Amendment citizenship clause of the US Constitution. The issue was first raised during a telephonic interview on October 12, 2008 when Obama's step-grandmother, Sarah Obama told Bishop McRae that she was present to witness Obama's birth in Kenya


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Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2010-06-30 01:43:16 ~ Being born outside the US to a citizen mother and a non-citizen father would not in and of itself preclude BO's being a "natural born citizen." That said, I am not clear on all aspects of this part of the law.

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Readers Comment H. Torrance Griffin commented on 2010-06-30 06:56:29 ~ It has been clear for some time that the 'Birthers' are not clear on the law either.

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2010-06-30 12:25:52 ~ My iunderstanding is that it's where you're born, not the citizenship status of your parents, which matters. I, for example, was born in the Netherlands to two parents both of whom were native-born U.S. citizens. Under the Constitution, I would be barred from running for president even though, in addition, I've lived in the U.S. since I was eight months old. The only exception is for those individuals who (as was true of Alexander Hamiliton, for instance) were born abroad but were residents of the U.S. when the Constitution was adopted. Somehow I doubt there are many of those left.

Readers Comment H. Torrance Griffin commented on 2010-06-30 16:36:00 ~ Actually no. The bar is to naturalized citizens only, so if one or both your parents were citizens you are eligible no matter where you were born so long as you have been in the US for (IIRC) 14 consecutive years upon election. Otherwise we should have shut down McCain's candidacy as well.

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Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2011-01-31 18:56:10 ~ Naysayers in the White House, WikiLeakers running free... truly the end of days.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if the death Charlemagne threw european history into centuries of turmoil, asks Eric Lipps? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 814, the European ruler known as Charlemagne, or "Charles the Great", died, leaving his only surviving son, Louis, known as Louis the Pious, Emperor of the reunited Roman Empire.

The Death of Charlemagne by Eric LippsCharlemagne had secured control of the Western Empire through a series of wars with assorted tribal nations and with his brother Carloman, who had been granted the central part of the dominions of their father, Pepin the Short. His claim to the Eastern throne was gained through marriage to the Byzantine Empress Irene. This union was opposed by many Eastern patricians, and in 802 Irene's finance minister Nikephoros had led an unsuccessful attempt to overthrow Irene and take the throne of Constantinople for himself. The defeated Nikephoros was beheaded and his severed head prominently displayed on a pike before the imperial palace.

The reunion of the Empire would be maintained by Louis and his heirs, but only at the cost of tremendous turmoil. Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox Christianity had diverged significantly in ritual and belief, and each, of course, had its own supreme pontiff. The Orthodox were not willing to abandon their patriarchate and swear allegiance to Pope Leo III and his successors, and their resistance to religious reunification led to a series of religious civil wars which lasted well into the tenth century.

The Christian wars might have been worse had it not been for the continuing threat from the "Saracens," as Muslims were then known. In Charlemagne's day, the Moors had controlled much of the Mediterranean, and although they had been driven from their holdings in Spain, they remained a potent adversary. It was fear of Muslim invaders which would finally lead to the Synod of Aachen in 944 at which the Eastern and Western forms of Christianity were officially reconciled. That reconciliation allowed the Orthodox to maintain their distinctive liturgy and recognized the Eastern patriarchate as legitimate, though subject to Rome: the patriarch was granted the title of "Archbishop-Cardinal of the East".

Thus unified, the Christian world turned its attention to its longtime common foe, launching a series of "crusades"--wars for the Cross--beginning in 1001. The result of the first of those wars was the seizure, in 1006, of Jerusalem, where a Christian kingdom would be established under John Prester. Other successes followed, and in 1116, the Caliphate of Baghdad would fall.

Islam would never recover. By the twenty-first century, it would be a remnant faith held largely in isolated regions such as the desolate Arabian Peninsula. But the fall of Islam would have unfortunate consequences for Christendom as well, and for the scattered Jewish people, who under the Caliphate had been recognized as "people of the Book" and, though relegated to inferior status as "dhimmi," protected from outright slaughter.

The Caliphate had ironically become a refuge for classical learning during Europe's religious wars, and its fall was accompanied by a wave of destruction directed against "pagan" books and scholars. Today, Persia, once the center of Islamic culture, is a Christian backwater to which the railroad has not yet come, let alone such innovations as electric lighting and the steam automobile, which have so transformed Europe and Columbia in the past thirty years.

As for the Jews, they were to endure centuries of persecution which would all but exterminate their faith in Europe. Large Jewish communities would remain only in Asia and Africa, to which some Jews managed to flee in the ninth and tenth centuries. Today, of course, growing numbers are to be found in Christendom, where well-meaning folk have pressed for them to be permitted such liberties as property ownership.


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Readers Comment Scott Palter commented on 2009-12-04 06:06:07 ~ I don't know which is less likely - the Greeks accepting a Frankish barbarian as emperor or a Frank accepting primogeniture.

Readers Comment H. Torrance Griffin commented on 2009-12-04 06:53:28 ~ Otto III might have made it (being 3/4 greek himself), but not this guy....

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2009-12-04 09:17:33 ~ Part of why Charlemagne/Irene didn't happen was because Irene was past childbearing years, if I remember correctly. Also, the Byzantines would have thrown an absolute hissy fit over a "Frankish" barbarian as their new Emperor.

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2009-12-04 13:30:22 ~ Of course the Byzantines did throw such a fit--in our history, Nikephoros' rebellion succeeded and he took the throne as Nikephoros I. But Irene was favorably disposed to the proposed marriage, and as to her infertility, Charlemagne already had offspring. I'm sure there'd have been objections to a Frank becoming heir to the Byzantine throne, but after the fatal failure of Nikephoros, those objections might well have been muted. As for primogeniture, in our history Charlemagne actually arranged for his son Louis to inherit his entire empire. It was only later that the empire was carved up. My supposition is that in this case, Louis and his successors made primogeniture stick, invoking Charlemagne's precedent.

Readers Comment H. Torrance Griffin commented on 2009-12-05 12:12:57 ~ The thing about Louis ending up Sole Hier was not due to Charles' innovation so much as all of his other kids being dead.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if NASA had postponed the Challenger launch? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the February 2012 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 1986, President Gary Hart delivers his State of the Union address. He had hoped to be able to refer in his speech to a successful launch of the space shuttle Challenger carrying into orbit Christa McAuliffe, the New Hampshire social studies teacher chosen to be the first civilian to fly aboard the shuttle and already dubbed the "teacher in space" by the media.

Teacher in Space by Eric LippsHowever, engineers at NASA contractor Morton Thiokol warned that earlier fixes to the spacecraft's O-ring seals might not be enough to prevent a catastrophic failure in the unusually cold weather of the scheduled launch date, and as a result, the planned liftoff has been delayed.

The shuttle's continuing unreliability, which has repeatedly led to mission postponements, has become a sore point between the Hart administration and Congress on the one side and NASA on the other. The President is considering ordering NASA to begin work on a new generation of orbiter designed from the beginning to avoid the problems encountered with the existing shuttle fleet. None of this registers with Hart's growing chorus of critics, who will quickly brand the delayed launch of this much-ballyhooed mission "one more bungle on the part of an incompetent administration".
This article is set in the No Chappaquiddick timeline in which explores the consequences of an EMK Presidency 1977-1985.


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Readers Comment Bruce Johnson commented on 2012-01-29 00:59:39 ~ A couple of very odd additional assumptions smuggled in here. The obvious one, of course, is that Hart ends up beating Reagan in 1984 (partly by NOT self-destructing during the primaries). But then you add the assumption of this alternative President nixing the flight -- at least that's what's implied. (If it was simply a matter of the folks at NASA listening to those warnings and making the right decision about the flight, the supplanting of the President would be utterly gratuitous.) But since when did the administration know any of these internal decisions at NASA (that would later come to light as a result of the Presidential Commission's report). Maybe there is some other piece that's not explained here, but as it stands, this piece implies Reagan or folks under him KNEW about this problem and failed to act appropriately.... an accusation which, unless there's some generally unknown evidence the author is prepared to share, sounds more like an attempt to smear Reagan. (My apologies if I'm misreading, but in that case I'd like to be shown how I'm doing so.)

Readers Comment Kirk Edwards commented on 2012-01-29 01:47:33 ~ The divergence must have been earlier.A Hart victory in '84 is about as likely as a Jackson election or Libertarian president.

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2012-01-29 06:11:51 ~ Gary Hart as POTUS would have been a scandal waiting to happen. Me, I'm so sick of "family values" and First Ladies that I'd vote for the devil---he, at least, is a bachelor or so I'm given to understand. Besides, why settle for the _lesser_ of two evils?

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2012-01-29 13:44:50 ~ Re Bruce Johnson: Hart's presidency is the result of an earlier POD, specifically that Ted Kennedy's car only *almost* went off that bridge at Chappaquiddick. By 1984, the poltical landscape is considerably different.

Readers Comment Bruce Johnson commented on 2012-01-29 19:20:18 ~ Eric O - :D.. Eric L - thanks for the explanation... guess I was thinking on too small a canvas...

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2012-01-31 15:45:04 ~ It'd've been nice to see a new shuttle fleet setting up around the late '90s time. We'd have a very different look at space exploration by 2012 from it.


On this day in 1945, the remaining German troops in Potsdam surrendered to the Allies.

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On this day in 1973, the Super Bowl champion Dallas Cowboys visited the White House as guests of President Richard Nixon, who was then just starting his second term.  

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In 2005, Steve Axelrod of the Save Earth group is unable to decipher the J. Burton Howell speech that Jeanna Best and Dave Lange recorded. 'My guess is, he was transmitting something during these parts of the speech,' he tells the pair. 'Did either of you feel anything weird during the speech?' They say they didn't but promise to watch themselves over the next few days.

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In 1918, a couple of hotheaded men make the mistake of attacking Velma Porter as she walks the deck of the ship taking her and her husband, Mikhail von Heflin, to mainland America. She dispatches them with ease, then goes back to her cabin. Milo Cranston, who has been watching the couple, makes note of her unusual strength.

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In 1904, Ambassador Li'Kanto'Mk received a tour of the the capitol city for the Mlosh homeworld. The first thing that he noticed about the city was the utter lack of Mlosh resembling his kind. When he remarked on this to his guides, they replied, 'Our Council will speak to you of that. There is no need to ask any more questions.' His unease increased as he discerned the martial quality of life on the homeworld.

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In 1000 Post-Creation, a New Eden flowers, with angels and humans settling down to live in the earthly paradise. The angels lavish attention on the humans, since the angels cannot have descendants without them, and soon Eve is with child again, as are two of the female angels. Lucifer is still filled with a vague sense of unease, but his gloom cannot overshadow the joy of New Eden.

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In 12,475 BCE, a bad dream caused Clau of the tribe of Ar'Ya to turn his face away from the west whenever he traveled. This superstition led his people from the Caucasus to the Asian coast and across the northern wastes into the lands of wheat and cattle, where they led a primitive existence until the arrival of Polynesian sailors around 1500 CE.

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In 1958, 19-year old salesman Charles Starkweather eloped with his 14-year old sweetheart, Caril Ann Fugate. Although Miss Fugate was too young to legally wed, they lied about her age at a wedding chapel in Las Vegas, and the Starkweathers started their life together in Sin City. Removed from their Nebraska home, the Starkweathers flourished, especially after they hit a slot payoff of $100,000 and used it to start up a dry-cleaning business that has chains across the country today.

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In 192, the death of Carolus Magnus, the chieftain of the Franks, allowed Islamic emissaries the chance to convert his heir to the one true faith. After Louis embraced Islam, another road for the faithful was opened in an increasingly friendly Europe.

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In 1945, during World War II supplies begin to reach the Republic of China over the newly reopened Burma Road just in the nick of time to save Nationalist leader Chiang Kai-shek from encircling Communist forces led by Mao Tse-Tung.

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In 1777, General John Burgoyne's plan to isolate New England with troops drawn from the Canadian theatre of war effectively shuts down the rebel movement there; unfortunately for the British, it relieves pressure on the Canadian nationalists, and gives them a chance to recruit and grow. Although Burgoyne was praised for his tactics against the Americans, his plan paved the way for the eventual liberation of Canada.

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Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Jack the Ripper had been caught? muses Robbie Taylor. Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the February 2013 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 1832, Charles Dodgson, better known to readers of the 19th century as Lewis Carroll, was born in Daresbury, England.

"His vorpal blade went snicker-snack"His novels Alice In Wonderland and Alice Through The Looking Glass delighted children in his century until it was revealed that his prose held a confession to the most heinous crimes of the century; Dodgson, to the horror of parents across the world, was also the madman known as "Jack the Ripper".

His first victim was found in the Whitechapel area of London. Mary Ann Nichols, who had turned to a life of prostitution in her youth, was found cut to pieces on Buck's Row.

Her murder was followed by several others, and then the killings stopped for several years. The murders remained unsolved for many years until the killer published, of all things, a children's book in which he wrote a cryptic confession of his dark deeds.

Thomas Wyndham, a detective at Scotland Yard with a fondness for puzzles and cryptograms, was reading the edition of "Alice In Wonderland" known as Nursery Alice to his daughter when a passage on the page seemed to leap out at him; he rearranged the words and it turned into a confession of ominous portent.

He and a colleague paid a visit to author Charles Dodgson, and after hours of questioning, the author broke down and confessed everything, also implicating his friend, Thomas Bayne, a colleague from Oxford. The sensational capture of the elusive Jacks stunned the world of children's literature, and Dodgson's work was pulled from publication; it is read today only by criminal pathologists seeking insight into the twisted mind of this terrible murderer.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, Jack the Ripper, Light-Hearted Friend is a 1996 book by Richard Wallace in which Wallace expressed the theory that British author Lewis Carroll, whose real name was Charles L. Dodgson (1832-1898) and his colleague Thomas Vere Bayne were responsible for the Jack the Ripper murders


Readers Comment Jackie Rose commented on 2013-01-27 03:40:30 ~ Well, there is some evidence that Lewis was a pedophile, at least. I seem to recall reading that one lady said he was "too friendly" with her daughter.

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2013-01-27 17:48:04 ~ Unlikely, at best. And I'm not sure that the dates work at all. The only children's books Dodgson/Carroll published were in the 1860s and '70s, while the Ripper killings were in the late 1880s (actual dates depend heavily on which murders are and are not considered as part of the "Ripper" killings.). Dodgson was around at the time, but hadn't AFAICT published anything for kids for many years.

Readers Comment Sailorbarsoom commented on 2013-01-28 20:58:59 ~ So it would have to be a confession of future intent.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2013-02-03 14:29:40 ~ Interesting. Wonder if he was fit enough?




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Adolf Hitler had committed more resources to Plan Z? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the July 2012 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 1939, to challenge the naval power of the United Kingdom the Fuehrer Adolf Hitler ordered the re-equipment and expansion of the Nazi German Navy.

Flugzeugträger Part 4:
Plan Z
Like all of the unfortunate implementors of Hitler's madcap plans, it soon became apparent to its architect Grand Admiral Erich Raeder that "Plan Z" was hopelessly unachievable because there was far too much competition for common internal resource to build a Kriegsmarine of ten battleships, four aircraft carriers, three battlecruisers, three old panzerschiffe, twelve new panzerschiffe, five heavy cruisers, thirty-sx light cruisers M Class, twenty-four light cruisers typ spähkreuzer, sixty-eight destroyers, ninety torpedo boats and two hundred forty-night U-boats by 1945. And the political infighting was further complicated by intra-service rivalry; as usual Goëring was throwing a spanner in the works by insisting that all aviation assets should belong to the Luftwaffe.

To overcome this comand confusion, Raeder played directly to the Fuehrer's military fantasies, floating a number of implausible mission plans including an attack on the US Atlantic Fleet moored at Norfolk, Virginia. The main result of this gambit was a significant reduction in the number of U-boats. And instead of ambitiously building a purpose-built aircraft carriers from the keel up, the Admiral took the more realistic judgement to convert pre-dreadnoughts by building landing capability on the hull. This expedience was necessary in the game of catch-up, being precisely how the Royal Navy had built their first carriers HMS Eagle and HMS Furious. Because Raeder simply did not have the luxury of time, inside of six months war would break-out and he could not follow in the slow considered steps of a programme launched by the Royal Navy over fifteen years before.
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Readers Comment Chris Oakley commented on 2012-06-15 14:49:21 ~ Sounds like somebody's been reading "Third Reich Victorious"....

Readers Comment Jared Myers commented on 2012-06-22 06:36:04 ~ I've often wondered what the end-result would have been if Hitler poured a lot of $$$, time, and resources into the Kriegsmarine. Not sure if the Germans would have beaten the Brits in the end, but definitely the power-hold that the Royal Navy had over the Atlantic would have been MUCH more precarious and weakened as a result of a resurgent German Navy. At best (for the Third Reich), a bolstered Kriegsmarine could have held the entire length Channel for Germany to mount a successful Operation Sea Lion. I'd like to see Part II of this article.

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2012-06-22 06:51:52 ~ They'd have been a lot better off putting the money into LOTS more U-Boats. Churchill said after the war that the U-Boats were the only things that ever really worried him. A hundred more U-Boats, combined with converting them to be mainly minelayers (mine warfare is much more efficient than prowling around with torpedoes) could have starved Britain out. Oh, and NOT going after Russia until AFTER the UK was out of business would have been a good idea, too.

Readers Comment Scott Palter commented on 2012-06-22 10:07:48 ~ They would have been better off selling the entire Navy to the US for oil and food deliveries. The German economy was by the mid-30's working at over 100% of capacity [yes there was mammoth waste but that was built in the system; the Fuhrer Reich was simply bureaucratically far more inept that the Kaiser Reich]. So more of X means less of something else. Essentially a bigger navy means smaller air force and army. Given that the Fall of France was a near run thing and that Barbarossa failed it is hard to argue that what was needed was more useless ships. Germany can never win a naval building race with the UK much less the entire Anglosphere.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2012-06-22 17:17:08 ~ Looking at a much bloodier Battle of Britain and Battle of the Atlantic. Fortunately, there aren't so many islands for hard-fought island-hopping in the Atlantic. Wonder if it would be enough to bring Portugal into the war?

Readers Comment Matthew Dattilo commented on 2012-06-22 19:31:53 ~ Here's a thought: had Germany indeed devoted more resources to the Kriegsmarine, would the invasion of the Soviet Union have taken place? It was certainly a central pillar of Hitler's plans, but imagine a war in which Operation Barbarossa was pushed back to 1944, after England had been isolated to the point of capitulation by a stronger German surface fleet.

Readers Comment Mike commented on 2012-06-22 20:13:27 ~ Did a Book report on this in school. 250 more Uboats then Germany actually had an England would have been starved into submission. Churchill talked a big game about never surrendering but the fact is without food England would have sucked it up and done so. Don't know if that would have changed the over all victory by the allies but England would have gone down and the war would have been a whole lot more hard fought.

Readers Comment Scott Palter commented on 2012-06-22 20:52:04 ~ @Matthew - with that much smaller an army/AF does France fall? The six weeks war with France was a quite near run thing. If the German blitz i a tad less strong fair chance the army group in Belgium escapes the trap and France does not fall. @Mike - that many more U-boats means the UK counters with more corvettes and jeep carriers, fewer tanks. These things have a reaction, counter logic. By the fall of 1940 the British Empire without the US was outproducing Germany in most weapons categories. Making more small ships and fewer tanks/big bombers was an easy switch for the Empire as they inherently had more than enough small ship building capacity. The bottleneck was BIG ships.

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2012-06-23 00:30:01 ~ Hitler would have had to start his naval buildup years before 1939 to have had any realistic chance of matching the British. And unless he could smehow have kept it secret, that big a buildup of the Kriegsmarine would have telegraphed his aggressive intentions even more than his Army buildup, which Britain and France could kid themselves was aimed only eastward.

Readers Comment Jackie Rose commented on 2012-06-24 13:47:45 ~ Alas, Eric, Britain and France were very good at kidding themselves, having been through The Great War 20 years earlier,with its terrible loss of life. Students were even signing to Oxford Pledge, never again to fight for king and country...but of course, they wound up having to do it all the same. The government even knew that Germany was re-arming, but despite Churchill's urgent pleas, it did not...or could not...stop it, until it was almost too

Readers Comment Scott Palter commented on 2012-06-24 18:49:13 ~ @Jackie - British could not afford a world war. So they delayed rearming for a few years until it was obvious they had no choice. They then prioritized the RN and RAF over the Army. The screwy economics of the Sterling Block and the perpetual dollar shortage are easy to wish away [Churchill did] but in fact were quite accurate.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Wilhelm Hohenzollern had been crowned King of England? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the June 2012 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 1859, on this day Friedrich Wilhelm Viktor Albrecht Hohenzollern the first grandchild of Queen Victoria I and Prince Albert was born in the Crown Princes Palace, Berlin. Despite the life threatening complications of a breech delivery, his English doctors ensured that he survived and was born without injury apart from a prominent scar on his right arm.
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Good Old Willie #3At the age of two he became the second in the line of succession to Prussia. But a decade later, the Hohenzollerns were forced to flee into exile. As the President of the North German Confederation, his grandfather Wilhem attempted unsuccessfully to create a unified Germany. The House of Hohenzollern dreamt of a state which would have been little more than a Prussian-dominated German Empire, but that ephemeral miltaristic vision was swept away on the battlefields of Sedan and Metz by the French Armies of Napoleon III.

By the time that Wilhem I passed away at the grand old age of ninety, France was fast assuming the mastery of continental europe. Tragically, his son (and the younger Wilhlem's father) Fredrick died only ninety-nine days later. However that historical accident presented the House of Hanover with an unexpected opportunity.

Because it allowed Queen Victoria I to modify the line of succession to permit the eldest child of either sex to ascend to the crown. By this time, the Hanovers were fairly confident that any popular resistance to Frederick was dissipated by the twenty-nine year old Wilhelm. He had after all lived in Britain since the age of twelve and was for all intents and purposes an Englishman. Moreover, he managed to season the hyper-masculine military culture of Prussia with a distinctly English flavour. For example, he cut a dashing figure at the Cowes Regatta where his masterful sailing performances had won the hearts and minds across the whole class system. Within a dozen years, he would be piloting the ship of state as she entered troubled waters.

He would reign as the King of the United Kingdom and the British Dominions and Emperor of India from 22 January 1901 until his death on 4 June 1941.


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Readers Comment Stan Brin commented on 2012-07-06 09:14:49 ~ Harumph! A British monarch *reigns*, but does not rule. Fixed - thanks. Ed

Readers Comment Richard Roper commented on 2012-07-06 10:24:34 ~ A feature of this Time Line would be a major war, World WarI, between Britain and FRANCE and Russia over the same problem - the Balance of Power n Eurpe, which britain would not be able to concede to France. Meanwhile William V and II becomes vastly popular with the Working Class and popular press as he steams out at the head of grannie's navy and on board the flagship named after her , which does not get sunk in that unforunate collision accident off the levant if the Time Line is different - to deal with the dastardly French. Napoleon IV becomes the hat figure and stage villian of British politcs.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2012-07-06 15:31:37 ~ German king over the British fighting French under a Napoleon. The more things change...

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2012-07-06 17:57:14 ~ Without that bad arm to overcompensate for, Willie might have been much easier to deal with, and confined in the bonds of the British constitutional monarchy, he could have done a lot less damage. And wouldn't it have been a hoot if he'd been a really, honestly talented sea officer who _deserved_ his honorary admiralcy?

Readers Comment Richard Roper commented on 2012-07-06 18:57:13 ~ Yes, would he play bowls on the lawn of Osbourne House as the dastardly French fleet and the villainous Napoleon IV and that of their scheming Russian allies arrive, then be rushedby the turbinia to the British fleet waitng in Spithead?




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Mitt Romney's job was to defend the moon base? (Mitt Romney ridiculed Newt Gingrich in the Jacksonville Republican debate telling his rival that if a business executive told him they wanted to spend a few hundred billion dollars to put a colony on the moon, I'd say - "You?re fired!"). Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the February 2011 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 2008, on this day smooth-talking Captain Willard ("Mitt") Romney closed-out the final duty of his "twenty" by organizing the security detail for the Republican Presidential Debate on the Moon.

Lunar Liberty Part 1With the population of the base approaching the magic thirteen thousand target required for a consideration of Statehood, the Lunar Primary had initially focused on the political issue of recognition. But the financial crisis had forced an explosive new item onto the agenda, whether the whole mission was economically viable (or not).

Budget cuts threatened to mothball the base. Inconveniently soon afterwards the discovery was made of an artifact (the so-called "alien statue of liberty"). As he travelled back to earth for the last time, Mitt chuckled that it was Capricorn One all over again.
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Todayinah Editor Editor says, Capricorn One is a 1977 science fiction thriller movie about a Mars landing hoax forced upon an agency threatened by budget cuts at a time of national austerity.


Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2012-01-28 07:16:47 ~ I think that any POTUS that proposed getting rid of an established Lunar base would be in a lot of trouble...and the base might just declare itself independent and start soliciting offers from other powers. The Chinese, the Russians, the Japanese...all would love a foothold on the moon.

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2012-01-28 15:45:30 ~ I doubt that the reason we don't have a lunar base is that "politicans don't want a base on the moon, Mars or anywhere else where free people will be beyond their control." I suspect it has a lot more to do with the money nvolved. Just getting to the moon cost $40 billion in 1960s money; setting up and maintaining a lunar base, let alone a colony, would cost even more. I notice that lunar colkonization enthusiasts, while willing to go on for ages on end aboout how wonderful a colony would be and how it would function once established, tiptoe past the challenge of actually building one in an airless, waterless environment at the end of a quarter-million-mile-long supply line. Which brings up another point. Who says a lunar colony would be beyond politicians' control? At their mercy, mre likely, given the need to keep providing supplies. It would be a LONG time before a lunar colony could be self-sustaining.

Readers Comment Jared Myers commented on 2012-01-30 02:21:09 ~ Eric Oppen brings up a good point. The USA wouldn't be able to defend its rule over a lunar base that well.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2012-01-31 15:51:42 ~ The colony could very well end up another Roanoke or first couple of tries at Jamestown. Unless the PR was worth the money to keep it going. And if there's something alien there, that should be enough for massive enthusiasm.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if the Huns had established an imperial capital? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the February 2013 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 447, on this day the Walls of Constantinople were severely damaged by an earthquake, destroying large parts of the wall, including 57 towers.

Constantinople, imperial city of the HunsDefenceless, the city would eventually fall to the Hunnic King Buda (aka Bleda). That unlikely outcome was the result of an earlier perverse act of fate, when his was saved by the timely intervention of his companion, the Moorish dwarf Zerco.

A hot dispute had arisen on a hunting trip on the banks of the Danube River where the monarch had sanctimonously announced his plans to reconsecrate the new town of Sicambria in his own name to "Budapest" as the capital of the Hunnic Empire. Because their uncle Rugila had bequeathed them joint rulership of the united Hunnic tribes, this was too much for his younger brother Attilla and the sibling rivalry immediately developed into a vicious fight to the death. Attilla attacked first, and would surely have triumphed, if not for the actions of Zerco, underestimated as a mascot dressed up in armour for amusement. Because as the dispute had began to escalate, Zerco had quickly made his own calculations, figuring that should Attilla prevail, then he himself would most likely be spending the night on the bed of the Danube River alongside his dead master.

Of course he had watched the resentment reach boiling point ever since the failed campaign in the East. And now Buda made his own calculation, realizing that his own rage was driven by the frustraton of Sicambria was a commiseration prize. The result was that Buda dumped the dead body of his brother into the river and mustered the army. Marching east, they set about installing Constantinople as the glittering capital of their Hunnic Empire.

Unfortunately for their recent opponents, a recent earthquake had breached the previously impregnable walls of the city. The prefect Constantinus had actually started their reconstruction, but because he was not expecting the Huns to return so quickly, he was forced to rely upon Isaurian troops under the command of the magister militum per Orientem Zeno. The city fell, and the Huns finally had a capital city worthy of their vast empire.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in authoring this post we have repurpose content from Wikipedia which reports ~ sometime during the peace following the Huns' withdrawal from Byzantium (probably around 445), Buda (or Bleda as he was also known) died (killed by his brother, according to the classical sources), and Attila took the throne for himself. A few sources indicate that Buda tried to kill Attila first, to which Attila retaliated.


Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2013-01-27 18:03:34 ~ Difficult to say what this would lead to in re. Byzantium; the Huns might be short-lived conquerors at best, a la the Mongol/Yuan dynasty in China, or might assimilate and "Romanize," as the Manchu/Qing dynasty did.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2013-02-03 14:28:22 ~ Either way, a big shift for the Mediterranean. Without Byzantines pushing south again, North Africa and the West would be very different.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Mozart had pulled through? muses Jeff Provine on This Day in Alternate History Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the February 2013 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 1756, on this day Classical Composer Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was born in the Austrian city of Salzburg. Baptized Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Theophilus Mozart, his family called him Wolferl, which is German for "Wolfie".

Wolfie finishes the RequiemBut the life of one of the greatest composers in all of history was nearly cut short by fever when he was 35 years old. He was working on his Requiem for some time, and his death might have left it unfinished, depriving the world of one of its most incredible pieces of groundbreaking music. At the request of his wife, he put aside his work and focused on overcoming his "military fever" (believed to be acute rheumatic fever). After his fever broke in the night of December 4, Mozart began to return to work, much as he had done his entire life.

The compositions of Mozart date back to 1761, when five-year-old Wolfgang composed small pieces on the clavier that his father wrote down for him. Throughout his years traveling, serving in the court at Salzburg, visiting Paris, and eventually settling in Vienna, Mozart would produce hundreds of pieces of music of uncanny variety: symphonies, concertos for nearly every instrument, chamber music, serenades, divertimenti, marches, dances, masses, sonatas, operas, arias, canons, and works that cannot easily be classified, especially those of later in his life. As he worked in Vienna, he also gained great influence, eventually living comfortably though never achieving great financial wealth. Musicians like S?ssmayr, van Swieten, Salieri, Haydn, and, most significantly, Haydn's pupil Ludwig van Beethoven all counted him as competitor and friend through his lifetime. The young Beethoven had reportedly come to Vienna to study with Mozart but had ended under the tutorship of Haydn.

A new story by Jeff ProvineAfter Mozart's recovery, he finished his Requiem, which would finally establish his fortune as the Catholic Church encouraged its use throughout Europe and the world. He made another return to opera, and his works were quickly picked up for performance as his name spread. Around 1800, he decided that he no longer needed to work for money and became bold in his musical experimentation. For several years, he would dazzle the salons of Europe in improvisational competitions, often with the younger Beethoven, who seemed the only pianist who could match and challenge him. This knowledge that he could not dominate Beethoven completely by piano forte is said to have led Mozart into his exploration of other instruments, specifically the glass armonica. The two would try to outdo one another through the rest of Mozart's life, many speculating that Beethoven's twelve symphonies were made better through the competition.

Reportedly, Mozart had learned of the spinning armonica during his time in Paris, when its creator Benjamin Franklin was also there as ambassador from the rebelling American colonies. Though it is unknown whether the two had met, by 1805, Mozart began a personal quest to push out the piano forte in favor of the armonica. His influence may be questionable, but it is evident that the armonica had taken its place at the forefront of music as every family of note had one in its drawing room by the mid-nineteenth century.

Mozart's music continued to become "erratic" as his life progressed. He sought influences from the folk dances of Europe. In the 1820s, he took up partnerships with the young musicians of Vienna to discover new ways of creating music. Noted for his sponsorship of Johann Strauss and Joseph Lanner in their formalization of the waltz, the aged Mozart was quoted as saying, "Oh, to have been born forty years later!"

While his eagerness never left him, Mozart fell ill with fever again in 1825 and died in January of 1826. His funeral was attended by thousands in Vienna, and many historians credit his vibrant use of popular music as one of the leading causes of the push for civil liberties in the 1830s.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in reality Mozart did not survive his illness. The details of his death have been popularized and fictionalized, for example, that a snowstorm struck Vienna in mourning of his death. Really, "the day was calm and mild" according to the Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians. Beethoven did indeed take great influence from Mozart, but the piano won out in popularity to the armonica, which all but disappeared after 1820.


Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2013-01-27 18:53:04 ~ It'd be interesting to see what music would look like by our time in this world. I've never heard a glass harmonica before...off to Youtube!




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if the Dominican monk Giordano Bruno had escaped the Inquisition? muses Jeff Provine on the This Day in Alternate History web site. Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the February 2011 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 1593, on this day the Dominican monk Giordano Bruno escaped the Inquisition.

Bruno Escapes the Inquisition Giordano Bruno was once a highly admired Dominican monk with numerous publications on the topic of memory, so approved that Pope Pius V had accepted the dedication of one of his earliest works. As he continued in his studies and philosophy, however, Bruno became increasingly heretical toward the accepted dogma of the time. Initially, he simply read banned works in curiosity, understanding their principles while upholding the hegemony of the Church. He then delved deeper, creating defenses of disagreements such as those of Arian about the lower position of Christ under God and an increasingly pantheistic view of the Universe. These outrages and the discovery of his hidden copy of a banned work by Erasmus would eventually cause such uproar that he would flee his monastery and cast off his habit.

A new story by Jeff ProvineBruno's life became one of wandering, trying to find a place where a free thinker may exist. He journeyed to the modern city of Venice, then to Padua, where he took up his monasticism again, though not joining a monastery, and came to Geneva, where rumor holds he cavorted with Calvinism. Later, he traveled to France, where he studied and taught at Toulouse before coming to Paris under the patronage and protection of the nobles. All during this time, he wrote and thought and learned, writing essays and comedies about the way ideas and memories work. Attached to the French ambassador to England, he came to London and joined new circles of intelligentsia and began his most controversial works on cosmology, describing a universe that not only included the Earth revolving around the Sun, but the Sun being only one of the infinite stars beyond. During anti-French riots, Bruno left London with the ambassador and began wandering again, teaching in German universities and being excommunicated by the Lutherans. Finally he returned to Italy, hoping to teach in Padua (but losing his chair of mathematics to Galileo) and tutoring privately in Venice to Giovanni Mocenigo. When Bruno announced he would be moving on, Mocenigo denounced him to the Venetian Inquisition. He defended his trial well in Venice, noting that many of the accusations were against points he had made only in philosophical pondering and did not believe. His few undeniable heresies against the dogma of the Church, however, prompted Rome to ask for his transfer, where he may well have been executed as an example of the increasing questioning of Church cosmology.

While being transferred, Bruno was asked to escape by a mutual friend sent by John Dee. The famous English philosopher and Hermetic had never met Bruno, but the two had shared much fascination with the supernatural, and Dee had taken up several of Bruno's works on the mind in his library. Dee had done his own travels to Poland and the Continent, where he had lectured for several courts before finally returning to England to find his library looted. Looking to rebuild, he sought out Bruno's works and found that the monk/philosopher/scientist had gone to Venice after attending the Frankfurt Book Fair. Dee sent a letter and money to invite him back to England. When found in distress in Italy, the message was expanded as an invitation to flee. Bruno initially felt that fleeing would be a false turn for views he felt so true that he would be willing to burn at the stake for them, but he was persuaded on descriptions of Dee's desire to work together (though Dee himself was only looking for new copies of Bruno's books).

Nonetheless, slipping out under the unwatchful eyes of bribed guards, Bruno took a ship from Venice to London, where he traveled by land to Manchester. Dee and Bruno struck up a strong friendship as Dee had with seer Edward Kelley (before the latter had told Dee that the angel Uriel had commanded they share wives), discussing cosmology and building upon each other's works in the occult and signs. While generally disliked by the faculty and administration, Dee acted as Warden of Christ's College and gave Bruno a chair in mathematics as well as a later position in what would become psychology. Building a unique curriculum and acting as a magnet for controversial thinkers all over Europe, Dee would transform Manchester into one of the most advanced centers of thinking in Europe. Over the next century, men such as Bacon and Newton would instill great new philosophy, methods, and technology into reality, such as frozen foods for storage, substantial memory techniques, focused light for heating and war, and the capture of steam for work, ushering in the Industrial Revolution circa 1690.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in reality Bruno was handed over to Rome and underwent a seven-year trial. He refused to recant in whole, holding many of his ideals (some of which would be scientifically proven over the next centuries) as fact. Bruno offered a partial recantation and appealed to Pope Clement VII, but he was turned over to the Roman authorities and burned at the stake on February 17, 1600. His trial would be seen again a generation later in Galileo?s trial where science was again halted by dogma. It would be another 289 years before Bruno would be recognized with a monument upon the spot he was executed.


Readers Comment David Atwell commented on 2011-01-30 00:14:42 ~ If such thoughts are occuring so early in England, what of the political impact? Is there the English Civil War still? How about the Glorious Revolution of 1688?

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2011-01-30 01:28:22 ~ And how do Bruno's escape and subsequent career affect the Church's later treatment of Galileo?

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2011-01-30 02:39:14 ~ I'm not sure that the metallurgy and metal-working of the time would support an Industrial Revolution.

Readers Comment Jackie Rose commented on 2013-01-28 11:56:57 ~ These cases helped turn the Protestants against Rome when the Reformation came.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if the Nazi King had prevented Churchill from giving Mr Hitler the V Sign? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 1941, on this day the Governor of the Bahamas Winston S. Churchill suffered a fatal heart attack on the beach in Nassau. He had been putting the final touches to an absurdly poor quality water painting of a short-legged, long-bodied hound. British Imperial Police were somewhat surprised to discover that alcohol was not a factor; the dead man was in fact stone cold sober.

Double Cross of the Nazi KingThe metaphorical decline from British Bulldog to household pet reflected his own fall from the heady days of 1936, when as Prime Minister, he had resisted pressures for his King-Emperor to abdicate in the face of widespread public opposition to his marriage to American divorcee, Wallace Simpson.

And yet the man on the beach was an imposter, the English actor Norman Shelley who was better known as the voice of "Dennis the Dachsund" in the 1939 adaption of Toytown, a fitting metaphor of the downgraded status of the fallen capital of London in the new Nazi Europe.

Because almost as soon as the Abdication Crisis was over, a new power struggle had emerged. This time, there could be only one winner; with the vigourous support of the ruling classes, Edward VIII forged a non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany and Churchill was forced to resign in favour of Lord Halifax.

A British warship dispatched the former Prime Minister to the Bahamas, where, in the view of the King, he could do the least damage to the new Pact. Defiant to the last, Churchill like the King himself couldn't be trusted to keep his mouth shout. He fought back, only to be murdered by British Intelligence who then placed the miserable Shelley on the boat to Nassau. Six months later, he had an unfortunate accident too.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in our timeline he wasn't elected until 1940 and it was Churchill that sent Edward VIII to the Bahamas (not the other way around). During the war, Churchill used a double, Norman Shelley as famously revealed by Father Verecker in the gripping climax to "The Eagle has Landed".


Readers Comment David Atwell commented on 2011-01-27 05:14:40 ~ Only one problem... Parliament would have enacted the Act of Ascension, if Edward hadn't abdicated, thus removing him forcably if need be as there was zero chance that the great majority of MPs would have tolerated Edward, not necessarily over Wallace, but because of Edward's sympathies towards the Nazis Interesting point you make I guess what we need is the European Crisis to kick off earlier in such a way that Edward VIII's Nazi Sympathies are a positive by the time the Abdication Crisis arrives?

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2011-01-27 05:27:27 ~ Was Eddie Eight really sympathetic toward the Nazis, or just glad that they treated Wallis politely? I somehow have my doubts that they regaled him with a tour of the basements at Prinz AlbrechtStrasse...(Gestapo HQ).

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2011-01-27 12:04:39 ~ Whatever Edward VIII's personal convictions (assuming he had any) Wallis simpson and her family belonged to a social cirrcle friendly to the Nazis. Had Edward remained on the throne (and he was very popular with the English people, which might have made Parliament hesitate to take the drastic step of forcibly removing him). That said, an outright alliance with the Nazis is unlikely under Edward, especially since, regardless of his personal popularity, the Nazis weren't widely liked in England. Moreprobable would be a nonaggression pact like the one Hitler concluded with Stalin in 1939. Of course, we all know how *that* worked out. . . .

Readers Comment Matthew Dattilo commented on 2011-01-27 15:41:40 ~ I don't think an alliance with Nazi Germany would have ever come to pass in the late 1930's regardless of who was on the throne. As Eric L. stated, it is far more likely we would have seen a non-aggression pact. Would it have held? Quite possibly, yes. Based on what he stated in 'Mein Kampf', I don't believe Hitler was particularly interested in occupying western Europe or invading Great Britain. He saw his main threat as Moscow and he believed that the German 'living space' he longed for should be carved out of the Soviet Union. Had Hitler played his cards right, he might have been able to pull off an invasion of the Soviet Union through Hungary and Romania without bringing France, Great Britain and, later, the US into the war. I might be wrong, but I don't see anyone in Parliment or the US Congress in 1939 willing to go to war to stop Nazis fighting communists when they had no investment in the fight.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2011-01-27 15:56:23 ~ Even without Churchill calling for a fight against Germany, enough would be there that Edward VIII and his lot would be bumping heads. Might expand WW2 into civil war in England.

Facebook Comment Comment from Alan Abramowitz on Facebook: Very believable

Readers Comment Robbie Taylor commented on 2011-01-30 03:36:42 ~ Why is Churchill making an obscene gesture at us?




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Hugo Chavez tried to break the Gaza blockage asks Stan Brin? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 2010, on this day, a flotilla of boats arrived in Israeli in waters off Israel in an attempt to break the "blockade" of Gaza.

"Spirit of Palestine"
by Stan Brin
The Israeli navy intercepted the boats, and, as expected, found Hugo Chavez, president of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. After a violent confrontation, Chavez and several aids were and taken off the boat "Spirit of Palestine" to a naval brig in Haifa. The EU protested the move, calling the it quot;kidnapping on the high seas". In Jerusalem, the Justice Ministry announced that 1,500 kidnapping charges would be filed against Chavez and his aids over a day long raid on a Jewish primary school in Caracas in 2003.

The raid was ostensibly in search or weapons, but none were ever found. The children, some as young as six, were eventually released. "We intend to try Mr. Chavez on every count, one by one", a spokesman for the Justice Ministry said, adding that "it may take us twenty years". The government is rumored to be considering hundreds of additional charges over a pair of raids against a community center and an arson attack against a synagogue.A response from the EU was not immediately forthcoming, but diplomatic sources revealed that officials in Brussels were "flummoxed, aghast, and unable to respond coherently" to the charges against Chavez.


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Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2010-01-27 08:03:54 ~ As a head of state, I don't think Israel could legally try him. For that matter, if he'd had the wit to issue diplomatic passports to everybody aboard those boats, I think the most Israel could legally do is declare them all persona-non-grata.

Readers Comment Scott Palter commented on 2010-01-27 08:45:09 ~ Pinochet precident essentially makes diplomatic immunity optional. That said israel would not be allowed to be the sort of politicized swine the EU progressives are.

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2010-01-27 14:15:20 ~ Of course, Israel could always have "mistakenly" shelled the ship and machine-gunned survivors in the water, as it reportedly did with the USS Liberty during the 1967 war. All but forgotten now, that incident caused a major diplomatic flap at the time.

Readers Comment Stan Brin commented on 2010-01-27 18:31:52 ~ Eric Oppen - By that standard, Hitler and Mussolini would have escaped prosecution. International law isn't a suicide pact, although allies of a certain side in the Middle East conflict like to proclaim that it is. Even without prosecuting him, a really nice, long, interrogation would ruin General Cara de Cerdo. Too many buried bones. Scott Palter -- You are correct, although technically, Pinochet (actually pronounced "PinoCHET" not "Pinoshey" -- it's not a French name) was out of office at the time. By the way, my wife's family includes people who were on both sides of the Pinochet-Allende (actually pronounced "a-JENDE") civil war. They tell fascinating stories. Eric Lipps - Please, don't be silly. If the Israelis had wanted to attack an American ship, they would have used a bomb or torpedoes. I refer you to Judge Cristol's book on the Liberty Affair, and to Oren's "Six Days of War." Cristol's book was actually a peer-reviewed doctoral thesis. I have written on the Liberty Affair myself, and have analyzed some of the more popular "proof" pieces, most notably the CBS/History Channel pseudo-documentary "Coverup" -- they used altered film, phoney film, and made up their own thesis without a shred of proof.

Readers Comment Andrew Beane commented on 2010-01-27 23:10:01 ~ Venezuela has a brown-water navy and would never be able to reach the Israeli coast, and heads of state do not travel with attacking forces, not even one as flamboyant as Chavez




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if the Lewinsky Scandal was a southern affair? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the November 2009 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 1998, in an interview on NBC's Today Show, Confederate First Lady Hillary Clinton claims the existence of a "vast Union conspiracy" to destroy her husband's presidency of the Confederate States.

Vast Union Conspiracy
by Gerry Shannon
Mrs. Clinton was appearing in a satellite-link up to address the recent press rumours of CS President Bill Clinton's infidelity with a Confederate White House staffer, and that he had lied under oath an affair had ever happened. Her claim arose following a comment from host Matt Lauer: "You have said, I understand, to some close friends that this is the last great battle, and that one side or the other is going down here".

Clinton responded, "Well, I don't know if I've been that dramatic. That would sound like a good line from a movie. But I do believe that this is a battle. I mean, look at the very people who are involved in this - they have popped up in other settings. This is - the great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is this vast Union conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for presiden". The "people involved in this" referred chiefly to Monica Lewinsky, a graduate of Lewis & Clark college in Portland, Oregon; and of course, a citizen of the United States working as an intern in the Confederate White House.

"I mean, look at the very people who are involved in this - they have popped up in other settings".Journalist Bob Woodward previously wrote in his book "The Agenda" (1994) that Mrs. Clinton recalled that when her husband was making his decision to run for the president in 1992, he reported receiving "a direct threat from someone in the administration of US President Dick Cheney, warning that if he ran, the CIA would go after him. "Will will do everything we can to destroy you", she recalled that the Cheney White House man had sad". Why out-going US President Cheney would wish to stop a Clinton presidency, Woodward speculates that it was clear that Clinton would wish to work with Cheney's successor to cool tensions between the Confederacy and Union should he win.

In any case, Lewinsky is quietly deported back to the United States soon after Mrs. Clinton's comments - assisted by the administration of US President Al Gore - and the threat of impeachment for CS President Clinton in his last two years of office gradually passes.


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Readers Comment David Atwell commented on 2009-10-30 03:12:46 ~ How on Earth does a US citizen (ie Monica) end up working for the the Confederate Presidency????

Readers Comment Chris Oakley commented on 2009-10-30 15:06:38 ~ What is it with Hillary and conspiracy theories? :D

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