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Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Margaret Thatcher had lost the 1979 General Election? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the April 2013 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 2013, on this day former Leader of the Conservative Party Margaret Thatcher died. She was eighty-seven years old.

Passing of Margaret Thatcher By Ed & Scott PalterOriginally a research chemist before becoming a barrister, Thatcher was elected Member of Parliament for Finchley in 1959. Edward Heath appointed her Secretary of State for Education and Science in his 1970 government. In 1975, Thatcher defeated Heath in the Conservative Party leadership election to become Leader of the Opposition and became the first woman to lead a major political party in the United Kingdom. She was unlucky to have missed out on the Premiership, because of her Party's narrow defeat at the polls in the 1979 general election.

But the credibility of her leadership was undermined by a crisis in the South Atlantic. When the Argentine Junta sent invading troops to a little known British dependency that Argentina claimed to be their own (the Malvinas), Thatcher called upon Prime Minister Michael Foot to immediately dispatch a task force and reclaim the Islands for Great Britain. But her suggested appeal to President Reagan for military support was mistaken. Having refused to accept American nuclear missiles on British bases as part of the Cold War escalation, Foot was certainly no particular friend of the US Government. However Reagan and Foot quickly established a common interest because the Argentine Junta was secretly running arms to the Contra Rebels in Nicaragua. Any attempt to prevent the Argentinian occupation of the Malvinas would terminate this gun-running activity [1].

Not knowing this, Thatcher derided Foot for seeking a peaceful, multi-lateral resolution in the United Nations. Take unaware by the Contra gun running, she was surprised when the parties arrived at an economically viable alternative - a buy out of relocation for sovereignty under which Islanders were suitably compensated. This was part funded by the Americans who continued the covert support into Nicaragua until the fall of the Sandinistas. And meanwhile, that summer, England won the Football World Cup in Spain and nearly everyone forget all about it. It wasn't the kind of flag-waving patriotism Margaret Thatcher had in mind, and she was forced to resign after a landslide defeat at the 1983 general election.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, this happened, the Junta pulled the plug on the Contras in protest at the US support of British policy in the Falklands.


Readers Comment Chris Oakley commented on 2013-04-18 17:37:25 ~ No offense, but it occurs to me Britain and Argentina might have gone to war over the islands no matter who was occupying 10 Downing Street when the spit hit the fan.

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2013-04-18 19:03:55 ~ I don't think that Labour could have stayed in power...too many people were mad about the endless strikes and nonsense. The unions ended up cutting their own throats.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2013-04-19 14:40:30 ~ A few more years of the aforementioned nonsense would've postponed recovery longer, too.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Warren Harding had served out his term without dying? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 1873, on this day the thirtieth President of the United States John W. Davis was born in Clarksburg, West Virginia.

John W. Davis
30th US President
by Ed & Scott Palter
After graduating from law school, he joined his father in practice in Clarksburg. John J. Davis was a famous regional politician in his own right, being a delegate in the General Assembly, attending the Wheeling Convention and after the northwestern portion of Virginia brokeway in 1863 he was elected to the new state's House of Delegates and later to the United States House of Representatives.

Son John W. followed in his father's footsteps by representing West Virginia in the U.S. House of Representatives from 1911 to 1913, where he was one of the authors of the Clayton Act. Davis also served as one of the managers in the successful impeachment trial of Judge Robert W. Archbald. He served as U.S. Solicitor General from 1913 to 1918 and as ambassador to the United Kingdom from 1918 to 1921. As Solicitor General, he successfully argued in Guinn v. United States for the illegality of Oklahoma's "grandfather law". Davis was an outsider for the Democratic nomination for President in 1920 and it was this candidature that placed him in the box seat for his successful run in 1924.

Of course Davis would never have gained the Presidency if it were not for the Tea Pot Scandal implicating the First Lady and opening the door to the broader issue of corruption that ultimately destroyed the Harding White House.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in this article we explore a point of divergence proposed by Scott Palter and have repurposed a significant amount of content from Wikipedia.


Readers Comment Stan Brin commented on 2011-09-28 11:48:42 ~ He was outspoken, difficult, and an aloof aristocrat. He would have been a one-termer.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2011-09-28 14:53:43 ~ Kind of the opposite of Cal Coolidge, who just sat back in his term and let the Roaring Twenties roar. Might've not got much done either, tho, in such a laissez faire time.

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2011-09-28 18:17:55 ~ Was Florence Harding implicated in Teapot Dome?

Readers Comment Matthew Dattilo commented on 2011-09-28 21:38:21 ~ Eric, I was wondering the same thing.

Readers Comment Scott Palter commented on 2011-09-29 08:28:06 ~ She was NOT directly implicated. By rumor she got a rake off on every shady deal done while Warren played lothario with his bimbos. Fixed - thanks. Ed




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Harold Wilson really a spy and this disclosure destroyed the career of Yuro Andropov? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 1980, on this day the anti-Communist insurgency in Afghanistan gained a significant strategic victory with the capture of the government airbase at Bagram.

Afghan DebacleUp until then the airbase had been a major component of the Kabul regime's war to crush the insurgents; its capture dealt a heavy blow to that campaign and would later be cited by post-Cold War historians as an early link in the chain of events that led to the Marxist dictatorship's collapse just six months later. The rebels' capture of the Bagram airbase was aided by disaffected Afghan regular army troops who'd gotten fed up with their low pay and the repressive nature of their government; these men would later join their new allies in repulsing an attempt by government forces to retake the base. A new installment in Necessary EvilTwo days after this failed offensive was turned back, the Afghan army's chief of staff was fired.

The Marxist regime in Kabul immediately petitioned the Soviets for the immediate deployment of massive contingents of Red Army combat soldiers to Afghanistan to shore up the crumbling Afghan regular army. But with the Soviet Union mired deep in its own internal political crisis, Moscow could only spare 10,000 troops -- and even this small force would be hastily withdrawn when food riots erupted in Kiev and Minsk in June of 1980 and pushed the USSR one step closer to the brink of anarchy. The withdrawal soured Afghan-Russian relations in the final years of Communist rule in Moscow and seriously damaged the Red Army's reputation as a fighting force.


Interestingly, some of the same Soviet troops who served in the 10,000-man Red Army contingent briefly deployed to Afghanistan would later join the anti-Communist rebellion that broke out in Russia in the fall of 1980.


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Readers Comment David Atwell commented on 2010-09-23 01:32:00 ~ So how does this effect the rise of the OTL Taliban?

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2010-09-23 01:50:22 ~ If the Soviet invasion was this brief and inconclusive, IMNSHO "Western" memes would be much less discredited with the Afghan/Islamic public...one reason "Islamism" is so popular with them is because they heard Western and secular values pushed at them from behind Soviet bayonets, which turned them off.

Readers Comment Kirk Edwards commented on 2010-09-23 02:08:20 ~ Plausible,would reverbrate.

Readers Comment Scott Palter commented on 2010-09-23 04:36:29 ~ An SU with bread riots in Kiev does not send 10K troops. It sends 200K for fear that if one SSR can be overthrown it will embolden others to try the same. Authoritarian regimes fear appearing weak because once it appears that the mandate of heaven has passed they tend to implode - see Rumania 1989.

Readers Comment John Braungart commented on 2010-09-23 11:11:25 ~ <<>> If the insurgants can throw out the Soviets withut foreign aid, there is no need for Reagan to arm them and later walk away from them and all their new-found toys. The Taliban might still arise, but militarily they'll be a lot weaker. And there'll be little way for them to obtain weapons through other conventional methods. At least that's what I believe.

Readers Comment Chris Oakley commented on 2010-09-23 15:17:35 ~ David: I'm not quite sure yet. Scott: You need to re-read this post, because I specifically said the riots happen AFTER the troop deployment, not before it. The troops are dispatched in April, while the riots don't erupt until June. Besides, 10K might very well have been all the Red Army could spare in this TL the way things are going.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Thomas Jefferson had drafted a letter to King George III that sought to reconcile the colonies with Great Britain? muses Zach Timmons. Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 1743, on this day Sir Thomas Jefferson was born in Charlottesville, Virginia. Jefferson was serving in the Virginia House of Burgesses when, in 1775, he was called upon by the Second Continental Congress to draft a letter to King George III that sought to reconcile the colonies with their mother country.

Sir Thomas JeffersonThe petition stated that the colonies did not wish to revolt, but simply sought the right to fair taxation and trading rights. The petition reached London in mid-August, and, combined with the news of the battles of Lexington and Concord, convinced the King that the Americans were determined to achieve equal rights, by any means necessary. The King quickly appointed a joint British-American commission to solve the problem of American sovereignty, and in September of 1776 the commission signed an agreement which was soon ratified by the King and Parliament. The main points of the agreement were that:

1. Americans would be taxed at the same rate as British citizens, but that the collected taxes would only be used in America.

2. The Thirteen Colonies were allowed to seat representatives in Parliament, three from each colony, and that the representatives would have full voting rights on all issues pertaining to the Colonies. Also, the Continental Congress would be recognized and expanded as the official representative body of the Colonies.

3. The Thirteen Colonies would be formed into a new dominion, the Confederation of New Britain, and that a Viceroy (always an American) would be appointed to serve much as a Prime Minister.

The agreement took effect on January 1st, 1778, and although denounced by a number of hard-liners (notably Samuel Adams in Boston), the vast majority of Americans supported the agreement, officially known as the Colonial Representation Act. Sir Benjamin Franklin served as the first Viceroy, unfortunately for only three years until his death in December 1790. Sir Thomas Jefferson served as the third Viceroy, from 1807 until 1819. Upon his retirement, he focused on furthering higher education in Virginia, establishing the University of Virginia in 1825. He died on July 4, 1826, a few hours ahead of John Adams, the Royal Governor of Massachusetts.


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Readers Comment Kirk Edwards commented on 2010-05-20 05:29:02 ~ More probable than war.

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2010-05-20 05:44:35 ~ Seating Colonial members of Parliament would have been a tad problematic, what with there being several months' travel time between UK and North America. Also, would Canada and the British sugar islands have been included in this deal? ISTR that at the time, the sugar islands (Jamaica et al.) were considered quite a bit more valuable than the 13 mainland colonies. Also---at this time huge parts of _Britain itself_ weren't represented in Parliament, while there were "rotten boroughs" that had only a few voters but sent MPs to Westminster. If the Colonists got this deal, there'd be an outcry for Parliamentary reform, and that would have put the cat among the pigeons for fair. Far better to recognize the Continental Congress as the representatives of the colonies, without colonial MPs in Westminster.

Readers Comment Scott Palter commented on 2010-05-20 06:29:52 ~ By 1801 London parliament took in the Irish so it is not impossible. Neither is a deal after Lexington and Concord. In OTL it took into 1777 for the British to offer terms and by then it was a year too late. Mostly a matter of social prejudice. the ruling class simply did not like 'colonials'. \ scott

Readers Comment Chris Oakley commented on 2010-05-20 14:07:30 ~ Uh...no. :)

Readers Comment Michael N. Ryan commented on 2010-05-20 15:39:46 ~ Consider that George III and his cronies were single minded Caveliers who did not even bother to learnwhat they were doing in regards to colonial affairs, and rejected all these things, all letters of reconciliation would fail like those before. Colonial representation in parliament had been recomended by Benjamin Franklin after the Seven Years War and rejected in no uncertain terms because British politicains knew the Colonial birthrate and population groth would eventually shift the power base to the Americans. They also did not like giving up the colonial patronage they had for their friends. As for a dominion status, when Americans proposed that with the Albany Congress, that got tossed by British officials.

Facebook Comment Comment from Margo Barotta on Facebook: thomas jefferson draft a letter for king georges III asking that the american dosnt want to revolt only they want to be equal with the britains in taxes and to be representing in parlement ,the king agree on that ,but after that the brritains didnt treate the people of colonies like the britains ,this is why ,the revolution begun by the first action 'the tea party'

Facebook Comment Comment from Tom Hickie on Facebook: Very hypothetical. I can't see how that would have ever happened. It is an interesting question however. My question is did Jefferson realize George III was insane? The founding fathers must have known. If so, why negotiate with this king at all? Any such letter would simply have been a device to buy time, and consolidate the states. As we know it was a struggle to get New York to ratify the new constitution.

Facebook Comment Comment from Facebook: Very hypothetical. I can't see how that would have ever happened. It is an interesting question however.
My question is did Jefferson realize George III was insane? The founding fathers must have known. If so, why negotiate with this king at all? Any such letter would simply have been a device to buy time, and consolidate the states. As we know it was a struggle to get New York to ratify the new constitution.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2010-12-22 16:43:02 ~ The threshold to get over would definitely be George III's superiority complex. If so, though, the Parliamentary reform would be a good thing overall, reshuffling representation as we'd see in reforms over the nineteenth century anyway. Potential follow-up is the population growth and North America having the political upper hand come WWII time.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if the last-minute cancellation of the Bay of Pigs Operation made matters far worse? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 1961, US President John F. Kennedy cancelled the Bays of Pigs Operation after Radio Moscow broadcast an English-language newscast predicting the invasion "in a plot hatched by the CIA" using paid "criminals" within a week.

Stand-downUS Secretary of Defence Robert McNamara dispatched a stand-down order to the bases in Guatemala, Panama and South Floride where "Brigade 2506" had been posed to launch their counter-revolutionary insurgency just four days later. Insensed, the majority of the fifteen hundred U.S.-trained Cuban exiles returned to the Miami area where they would soon create a virulent hot-bed of anti-Kennedy resentment.

Having fought in the Great Patriotic War, Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev dismissed Kennedy as a rich playboy who had avoided serious military service. And Soviet Intelligence indicated that the closest Kennedy had come to a physical encounter with Adolf Hitler was the sharing of the sexual favours of the Danish Journalist Ingrid Arvad.

Already planning to exploiting the foreign policy inexperience of the new American President, Khrushchev now redoubled his resolve to press the United States after sensing this unmistakeable sign of weakness as well. And Khrushchev had no plans to create a superpower showdown off the cost of Florida when the city of Berlin offered so much more leverage.

The events of Kennedy's first one hundred days in office would resonate disasterously through the nineteen sixties. Long after Kennedy himself was assassinated in Miami campaigning for re-election.


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Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2010-05-14 00:55:05 ~ Cancellation of the Bay of Pigs scheme, which had been conceived and planned under Eisenhower (who put Vice-President Richard Nixon in charge, which is where he got to know all those Watergate Cubans) would have beena great idea--if it could have been done quietly. In the history explored in this post, of course, that doesn't happen. Kennedy is publicly humiliated by Khrushchev instead. I suspect that as a result, when late in 1961 the Soviets began construction of the Berlin Wall Kennedy would have felt forced to take more aggressive action than in our timeline, perhaps turning the Berlin confrontation into a European version of the Cuban missile crisis. And if Kennedy had to back down again, he could forget aboout campaigning for re-election: he'd have enough trouble avoiding impeachment.

Readers Comment Michael N. Ryan commented on 2010-05-14 01:02:33 ~ I who regard pretty much everything of that period a disaster by all means in which every decision made for the most part were the wrong decisions and the wrong choices in much of our economic, social, moral and politcal arenas except when it comes to the policy of containment of the Communist bloc. Standing down and not launching the disaster of the Bay of Pigs would certainly avoid a major embarrasment for the administration, Considering how things went down but eventually Kennedy would push himself and Kruschev to other confrontations in which the outcomes were better for us. Leave us face it our problem in Cuba as it was in Vietnam is that we were backing a pack of crooks with long rap sheets who had nothing good to offer their desperate peoples where the communists were a blank sheet with much of their crimes unknown. Our policy towards Cuba would be best of Blockade adn strangling the monster while undermining it where possible much like was done with southern democrats at this time. Let the regime's corruption be its cancer.

Readers Comment Michael N. Ryan commented on 2010-05-14 01:04:17 ~ The only real way to take down Castro and his regime would be for the United States to find an 'incident' with which to justify an invasion. Then we could remake it like we did the Phillipeans and Puarto Rico and show the people of Cuba how things are rally done.

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2010-05-14 05:55:21 ~ The people who were counting on the BoP would have been very disappointed. That said, a lot of people knew there was something in the wind---I used to have a letter to my Mom from a Cuban-American friend of hers hinting that the op was going in. There was no chance of it remaining secret.

Readers Comment Scott Palter commented on 2010-05-14 11:24:12 ~ Actually Kennedy had the excuse to cancel the operation as security had been blown so badly the NYT and other media were covering the supposedly secret invasion prep. His problem was political - he had been briefed on the plan during the Presidential campaign and had hit Nixon for doing nothing about Castro anyway. It was good politics as Nixon kept opsec at political cost but if Kennedy had canceled the op Langley would have leaked his duplicity out of spite. This lemon was the CIA's baby and they had fallen into institutional love. It would have taken a brighter more savvy player than JFK to see that he gets screwed less badly canceling that failing and everyone knew failure was highly probable except the CIA which had stopped listening to their own intel from the island. Mr. Ryan sees the Vietnam connection but IMO misses the keys. Diem was actually not a major crook. Indeed by Vietnamese nationalist standards he was actually fairly honest. However he was an inept Catholic mandarin who trusted no one outside his family circle and had by 1961 alienated his entire base of support beyond the Catholic refugees from the north. The Southern population had had bad experiences with Giap and the Red Terror in 1945 but the Viet Minh [the VC were always a front group and the locals saw through it] had sound nationalist credentials and were not tied to the landlord-moneylender system of rural misery [although their collectivization system was equally unpopular]. A large part of how Ike's limited bet on the Diem regime becomes an open ended US war in SV happens in OTL because Kennedy needed a big win after the Bay of Pigs and TAylor and Rostow sold him that he could have a cheap win by escalating. If the Cuban fiasco doesn't happen there is a fair chance Kennedy avoids the poison nettle.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if the Colfax Massacre had triggered a more general crisis in the South? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 1873, an armed revolt by former Confederates at Colfax on this day forced US President Ulysses S. Grant to acknowledge the growing power of the southern insurgency by declaring a State of Emergency in Louisiana.

Colfax MassacreAfter a bitterly contested gubernatorial election that highlighted the power of forces still threatening to tear apart the Union, both candidates had quickly declared themselves winners. Unwilling to wait for a Republican federal judge in New Orleans to declare Republican William P. Kellogg the victor, White Democrats had moved quickly to put their man John McEnery in office. Seeking to regain power, officially or unofficially, Whites armed with rifles and a small cannon overpowered freedmen and state militia at the Great Parish Court House.

In an event which would repeat itself in a horrifying cycle of violence throughout the South, White Republican officeholders were not attacked but at least 105 African Americans were killed after they surrendered. Visiting U.S. Marshalls would made the grisly discovery of twenty bodies thrown into the Red River, and a further twenty which had been secretly buried.


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Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2010-04-14 05:28:55 ~ This would have spilled the perfume into the soup for real. A lot of Northerners had thought that the government was too bloody lenient with the ex-Confederates, and this could have prompted calls to teach them a real lesson they'd never forget. Heynau himself would probably have been shocked at what would have happened.

Readers Comment Scott Palter commented on 2010-04-14 09:53:20 ~ Grant showed little stomach for using the US Army as election marshals before. Why would this change things?

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2011-04-13 19:28:11 ~ It's amazing it didn't happen. Probably one of the biggest overruled revolutions without reprisals.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Oliver Cromwell accepted the crown?

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In 1657, on this day Oliver Cromwell was proclaimed the King of England despite his earlier doctrinal objection to the office "I would not seek to set up that which Providence hath destroyed and laid in the dust, and I would not build Jericho again".

Oliver I (1657-1658) was the founder of the current Royal House of Britain & that of the Royal House of America, until that nation became a Republic in 1964 due to a constitutional crisis.

Although Oliver had a short reign as King, he had been all that but in name since the end of the First English Civil War in 1649, when the then current King Charles I (Stuart) was executed. From there, with the full support of the Parliamentary New Model Army, he defeated Stuart Loyalist uprisings in both Ireland & Scotland.

The Royal House of Cromwell, Part 1 Oliver I (1657-1658) by David AtwellFrom there, Oliver lead the English to victory over the Dutch in 1654 which ensured that the Royal Navy would dominate the seas until the Twentieth Century. In the process of victory, Oliver rejected an offer of the Crown but accepted the position of Protector in 1653. Later in 1657, he was once again offered the Crown, & after much debate from colleagues & friends, decided that a "Puritan gentleman, of humble origins, may indeed make a very good & Godly English King for the good graces of all Englishmen".

"I would not seek to set up that which Providence hath destroyed and laid in the dust, and I would not build Jericho again".Throughout the period of Protectorship & Kingship, other than the various conflicts which Britain found herself in, Oliver established probably the more important legacy Britain, & later America, would come to cherish: a nationwide education system. The Puritans placed great importance on education in both religious & secular matters. Thus by the time of Oliver's death, every village, town & city in Britain had some kind of school of one type or another ensuring that, by the turn of the century, about 80% of the population were literate.

Oliver's claim to the throne, unlike the Stuart's, was in reality based upon the power of the military. Although this was never stated anywhere, the Cromwell Dynasty would have never survived its first year, let alone a long history on the Throne of Britain, without Oliver's control of the New Model Army. In order to gather a legitimate claim to the Throne, however, several writers at the time, & needless to say many ever since, argued that the Cromwells were actually descended from the ancient Welsh Powys Royal Household, which thus fulfilled an old prophesy whereby a descendant of this ancient Royal House would one day become king of Britain & establish a long line of successors. The Cromwells have ever since accepted this claim & used it to justify their Dynasty. Needless to say, the Cromwell Royal Household has always enjoyed overwhelming Welsh support.


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Readers Comment David Atwell commented on 2009-10-21 08:21:00 ~ @ Steve Schaper. I gather you mean the POD? Well at first he rejects the Crown as per the OTL, but he then changes his mind later in 1657, where he states: "Puritan gentleman, of humble origins, may indeed make a very good & Godly English King for the good graces of all Englishmen". Besides which it puts a further dent into the Stuart attempts at retaking the Throne.

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2009-10-21 08:21:01 ~ What were the Stuarts doing all this time---just sitting there and saying "What's done is done?" Or would they have been working behind the scenes, busy as beavers, to make sure that Cromwell's reign---or that of his successor, whom we all know and, well, know, as "Tumbledown Dick"---was short and problem-plagued?

Readers Comment David Atwell commented on 2009-10-21 08:21:05 ~ Well the Royal Houseold Cromwell series (it's on ongoing series that continues to the current period - http://www.changingthetimes.net/samples/britcivilwar/royal_house_of_cromwell.htm & http://www.changingthetimes.net/samples/britcivilwar/royal_house_of_cromwell_part_ii.htm ) sees them come & go at varioustimes over the next 100 or so years. So ... Read Morethey are delt with, but essentially they have the occasional uprising, akin to the OTL, but don't get very far. Furthermore Monck's "rebellion" of 1660 fails & Oliver's son Henry becomes King after Richard abdicates.

Readers Comment David Atwell commented on 2009-10-21 21:39:20 ~ @ Steve Schaper. es good points, nonetheless there were plenty of others pushing Cromwell to take the Crown. In fact on 6 May 1657, according to Thurloe & Whitelocke, that Cromwell actually said he would accept the Crown. This was also know by Henry his son. In fact Parliament was also certain of it & was about to announce that 7 May was to become known as Accession Day of King Oliver I. Please see _Cromwell Our Chief of Men_, Fraser, A. 1989, Mandarin Press, P610

Readers Comment Chris Oakley commented on 2009-10-22 00:33:35 ~ I guess the Windsors are out of the picture in ths TL...

Readers Comment David Atwell commented on 2009-10-22 11:47:04 ~ Yes, Chris, no Windsors. Only Cromwells ;)

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2009-10-22 14:29:04 ~ And what's this Royal House of America? Is it merely a cadet branch of the Cromwells, or a separate monarchy? If America had remained under British rule, as seems to be implied, I doubt it would have its own king.

Readers Comment David Atwell commented on 2009-10-22 21:07:09 ~ @ Eric Lipps. The American branch is independent, but they do help out the British at times akin to WWI & WWII. Afterall they're all Cromwells. Having said that, the American Kingdom does do their own thing when they want to & are more democratic in nature than the British. Also the American Kingdom doesn't really have an overseas empire, save for a brief period, which wasn't overly popular, unlike Britain which has parts of Africa, Asia, not to mention Australia & New Zealand until the post-WWII period.


In 1964, on this day Nation of Islam representatives Malcolm Little and Louis Farrakhan departed JFK Airport, New York for Jeddah, Saudi Arabia via Cairo. Hajj Part 1 Little and Farrakhan Arrested by Eric Oppen
Upon arrival at Jeddah, Saudi authorities separated and isolated Little and Farrakhan from the group of pilgrims. The pretext for the arrests was the open preaching of the Nation of Islam doctrine, combined with irregularities in their visa entry caused by their inability to speak Arabic and possession of United States passports. Really at issue of course was the unorthodoxy of their Islamic faith and in reality their lives were in deadly danger. In fact the US Government had advised the authorities that the pair were in the Kingdom with the express intention of fermenting trouble for the House of Saud. Muhammad Faisal, the son of Prince Faisal placed his signature on execution orders for the two Americans. That news reached the ears of the Muslim Brotherhood. The group was dedicated to the credo "Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope".
The Brotherhood had been an illegal organization, tolerated to varying degrees, since 1954 when it was convicted of the attempt to assassinate Gamal Abdel Nasser, head of the Egyptian government. Supreme Guide Hassan al Hodeiby had no intention of rescuing Farrakhan, whose fate was already sealed. However, in Little, there was an opportunity to further radicalise a natural radical; his criminal past and harsh childhood would be the bitter soil in which the Brotherhood would plant a fresh seed.
Word was sent to 'get to' Little in gaol. Perhaps on his return to the United States, Agent Little could play a full role in the long-term goal of re-establishing the Sharia, by using "physical power and Jihad for abolishing the organizations and authorities of the Jahili system"
To be continued..


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Readers Comment Robbie Taylor commented on 2008-09-21 21:04:54 ~ A little Islamophobic, but well-written Islamophobia.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Seth Taft was elected mayor of Cleveland? muses Stephane Dumas. Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 2013, on this day the former Mayor of Cleveland Seth Chase Taft died at his home in Pepper Pike after a recent fall. He was ninety years old.

Playing NiceHe was the grandson of President William H. Taft and son of former Cincinnati mayor Charles Phelps.

He was also the nephew of U.S. Senator Robert Taft. After his own unsuccessful race for the Ohio Senate in 1962, he ran for the office of the mayor of Cleveland, Ohio, in 1967 (pictured, left), beating Democratic candidate Carl B. Stokes (pictured, right) who was seeking to become the first African American mayor of a major city. In that race, Taft refused to resort to race-based politics during that election, fearing it would tear the city apart. Stokes and his family later praised Taft for his integrity and honesty.

But of course what he will be remembered for most is the iconic photo of Taft and Stokes wearing Royal Blue & White hockey shirts, holding the Stanley Cup up high during the Baron's victory parade in 1968.


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Readers Comment Chris Oakley commented on 2013-06-13 00:50:42 ~ LOL....

Facebook Comment Comment from Donald Peebles on Facebook: That would have been truly something if Taft and Stokes really had a great friendship in real life outside of politics. I am not really an ice hockey fan myself.

Readers Comment Robbie Taylor commented on 2013-06-13 03:21:23 ~ Nothing brings the races together like hockey... ;)


In 1915, of the 197 Americans aboard RMS Titanic, 128 lost their lives. U-20 Kapitanleutnant Walther Schwieger was condemned in the Allied press as a war criminal. There was massive outrage in Britain and America. The British felt the Americans had to declare war on Germany. America steers clear of Great WarU.S. Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan, fearing the US would declare war, resigned from the Cabinet in protest; however, President Woodrow Wilson still did not want the country to get involved in a European dispute because the American population (many of whom were German-American) did not want to be involved in a war. Instead of declaring war, he sent a formal protest to Germany. Wilson was bitterly criticised in Britain as a coward. Although unrestricted submarine warfare continued at a varying pace into the summer, on August 19 U-24 sank the White Star liner Arabic, with the loss of 44 passengers and crew. Three of the dead were Americans, and President Wilson angrily protested through German diplomatic channels. On August 27, the Kaiser imposed severe restrictions on U-boats attacks against large passenger vessels. On September 18, 1915, he called off unrestricted submarine warfare completely.


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Readers Comment Mike Stone commented on 2010-10-07 09:57:00 ~ Doesn't sound a lot different fom OTL. Iirc the kaiser actually called off USW in March 1916, though of course resuming it in Feb 1917.

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2011-04-13 06:26:20 ~ There'd be a lot less excuses to be made about Titanic...she was pretty distinctive-looking, if only for her sheer size.

Readers Comment John Braungart commented on 2011-04-13 11:43:46 ~ In OTL, it was the Lusitania that sank and caused the outcry, instead of the Titanic, but it is felt that one of the main reasons that the Lusitania exploded so heavily and sank so quickly (under fifteen minutes) was due to the fact that the British government was secretly transporting war materials in the holds of these ships instead of (or in addition to) the merchant ships. Even today, divers are not allowed to visit the wreck on orders from the British government. So even if the British government (and certain Anglophiles) calls Wilson a coward, mightn't an investigation into the incident make this factoid more widely known? And if it IS true and DOES become known, who's head rolls for it, Churchill?

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2011-04-13 19:31:44 ~ Also be curious to see what came from the change of ship building and maritime law reform after the Titanic disaster showed what was wrong.


In 1961, on this day the New York City parks department unveiled its choice for the design of the monument to the victims of the Jamaica Bay hurricane.

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In 1941, on this day Soviet bombers leveled parts of Warsaw in the first of the so-called "fire raids" against German-held cities in Poland.                              

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Todayinah Editor Editor says, The Sky News article of February 23rd reads ~ Blackpool was off-limits to the Luftwaffe during World War Two because Hitler wanted the seaside town as a "playground", uncovered documents reportedly reveal. The Fuhrer apparently wanted to hoist the Nazi flag up Blackpool Tower and base the headquarters for his paratroopers there.
Uncovered intelligence maps reportedly reveal Hitler's intention to spare the Lancashire resort during his planned invasion of Great Britain.
York-based publisher Michael Cole brought the documents back from Germany about a year ago, he said.
The papers go toward explaining why the resort escaped unscathed during the Blitz - especially considering there were major British aircraft manufacturing factories situated there.
"These maps will be the source of much interest particularly to those who lived here through the Second World War," said Elaine Smith, chairman of Blackpool's Civic Trust.
"It had been known that Hitler intended to use Blackpool as his personal playground after what he hoped to be a successful invasion and the war ended.
"He probably wanted to keep the resort as it was so he could enjoy it as Chancellor of Britain."
The maps also detail the Nazi leader's invasion plans - which included marching soldiers along the coastline.
The Italian Gardens in Stanley Park was to be used as a guide for paratroopers because the paths formed a perfect compass.




In 1941, although it had been a nominal ally of the German Underground, Japan abandons this stance when a small group of Japanese civilians are murdered by the G.U. in Berlin. They sign a treaty with the Greater Zionist Resistance, and promise to resist the racist aims of the G.U.

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On this day in 1983, Ric Flair and Arn Anderson defeated the team of Paul Jones & Stan Hansen in a tournament final to win the previously vacant NWA world tag team championship. That same day in Minneapolis, former NWA tag champ Bad News Allen signed a contract to join the AWA.

 - "Bad News" Allen
"Bad News" Allen

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On this day in 1975, Stephen King completed his final draft of Jerusalem's Lot.

 - Stephen King
Stephen King

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On this date in 1986, 'The X-Files' made its American TV debut on Boston's PBS affiliate WGBH.

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In 1987, President Gary Hart formally announces that he will be a candidate for re-election.

Political pundits observe that if, as is widely expected, Hart wins in 1988, by the time he leaves office in January of 1993 the Democrats will have held the White House for sixteen years, after having failed to win more than two elections in a row since the Roosevelt-Truman period which ended with Eisenhower's ascendency forty years earlier.

 - Gary Hart
Gary Hart

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On this day in 1912, the author of the anonymous letter linking the Titanic fire to German spies came forward to British authorities and was whisked to a safe house in Wales for his own protection.

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In 1812, after years of disputation between white settlers west of the Tennessee River and North Carolina's colonial government in Raleigh, the North Carolina land claims beyond the river are granted a royal charter as the Crown Colony of Tennessee. Parliament and Prince-Regent George are persuaded to grant the charter as an efficiency measure, allowing a separate administration to be established for lands awkwardly far removed from the administration in Raleigh. Under the charter's terms, a company of British troops is dispatched to the small settlement of Coxeboro to aid in maintaining order and protecting against the area's savages.' The troops will establish a fort named for the town.

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In 1972, the Universal Postal Union decided to recognize the Republic of China as the only legitimate Chinese representative. This effectively expelled the People's Republic of China administering Taiwan and was vigorously protested by the exiled leaders on the island, including Mao Tse-tung and Chou Enlai. From Beijing, Chiang Kai-shek welcomed the decision; after the Kuomintang had defeated the Community insurgency, it was ridiculous for global institutions to maintain a two Chinas policy.

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In 1838, 8th President of the United States Martin Van Buren convened an emergency meeting in the White House. Van Buren summoned all of his administrative experience from his previous appointments as 10th United States Secretary of State & 8th Vice President of the United States to put over his point with the maximum gravitas. 'Gentleman, speaking from my many years in office ' he began ' I can tell you with complete candour that unless we act now, we face the prospect of a civil war right here in the United States. Secessionist pressures in the Southern States are threatening to dissolve the Union. And the rallying point will be this unconscionable extermination of the red Indian!'. Gasps of dismay were heard from prominent members of his cabinet. 'Yes its true!' said Van Buren slamming his fist against the table dramatically.

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In 1998, Central European Imperial spies are brought to England and placed at the command of Prime Minister Oliver Pembroke. The Illuminati in Switzerland rejoice at this first move in suborning the legitimate government of England - after centuries of trying, they feel that they finally have the British right where they want them. Merl Myrddin, Arthur Pendrake's chief advisor and a former Illuminati himself, finds out about the British government's unexpected help and tells Arthur that this must become public knowledge quickly. He prepares the evidence he has and they arrange for a rally the next day.

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In 1891, the Farmers Council in Topeka informs former President Grover Cleveland that they cannot agree to his request that they surrender control of Kansas back to the former government. 'This is the worst possible decision you could make,' Cleveland tells them. 'We disagree,' Jerry 'Sockless' Simpson tells him. They issue a call for all able-bodied men of the state to stand ready to defend their homes against 'the unjust attack by the false president, Benjamin Harrison.'

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In 2005, in the wake of the Claw withdrawal, and the absence of many key figures afterwards, such as the Vice-President, America chooses to hold a special election. U.S. Representative Carl Worthington calls it the 'first free election in decades' in America.

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In 1915, Captain Michael Smith of the Harlequin, his ship packed with Q'Barian refugees, is given orders directly from the Security Council of the Congress of Nations to proceed to Pluto, post-haste. He directs his helm to spare no effort getting his ship there.

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In 1992, South Africa and Egypt sign a non-aggression pact. President Terreblanche of South Africa is planning to send forces north, and doesn't want Egypt's powerful army interfering with his plans; the Egyptians plan to take a small bite out of the nations that South Africa leaves behind.

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In 1990, the Soviet States of America officially admits responsibility for the Logan Massacre. During the Great War, American troops from Alaska had penetrated into Canada and taken a large number of prisoners near the town of Logan in the Yukon Territory. Rather than keep these prisoners, the Soviet troops killed them, almost 1000 people. The admission included a formal apology to the Canadian government from Comrade President Ann Richards.

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In 1952, Mikhail von Heflin and Velma Porter seek out the advice of an old wise woman in Kenya. They have freed an ancestor of the Baron's, and wish to trap her again. The wise woman says, 'Look to the stars; when they are right, you shall have your answer.' The couple had been hoping for help that was a little less cryptic.

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In 1941, although it had been a nominal ally of the German Underground, Japan abandons this stance when a small group of Japanese civilians are murdered by the G.U. in Berlin. They sign a treaty with the Greater Zionist Resistance, and promise to resist the racist aims of the G.U.

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In 1970, America suffers its first casualties in space as the Apollo 13 mission explodes. A ruptured oxygen tank blew a hole in the side of the small spacecraft, sucking out all of the air, killing the three astronauts in moments. All of America mourned, and President Nixon vowed 'their sacrifice gives us greater resolve to expand our efforts on the moon.' NASA's funding tripled after the disaster, and the lunar program was able to place a small base on the moon by the end of the decade.

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In 2689 AUC, the Greek rebel Metaxas declares himself dictator of Greece. With a popular following, he is able to hold off Rome's legions for almost a year before the Republic is finally able to bring him down.

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In 1919, British General Reginald Dyer single-handedly loses India for the British Empire when he ignites a nation-wide upheaval by massacring almost 400 peaceful demonstrators in Amritsar. The British were unable to keep control of the country after the massive population rose up almost as one to throw them out after this bloody day, and declared India independent in the next few months.

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In 1852, Frank Woolworth was born in Rodman, New York. He pioneered the concept of low-cost thrift stores in New York, but his businesses failed one after another, scaring away others who might have followed in his footsteps.

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In 1896, the announcement that gold has been discovered in Alaska is greeted less than enthusiastically by Americans who have been burned by one gold-rush rumor after another. So few people actually go to Alaska for the gold that its vast reserves remain untapped until the 1950's.

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Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if the USSR won the Space Race? muses Marko Bosscher. Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the April 2013 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 1961, when Yuri Gagarin left earth's atmosphere it was the pinnacle of human achievement, a mortal man had entered a realm hitherto beholden to the gods. It was also a blow to American pride, and just over a month later John F. Kennedy announce an ambitious program to restore that pride: The US would put a man on the moon within a decade.

Cosmonaut Leonov reporting from the moonFor several years it seemed that it would be a one horse race. However behind the scenes Sergei Korolyov, the Soviet Union's mysterious "Chief Designer", had already started work on designs for manned flights to other planets. By the time the Soviet Union officially announced plans in 1964 the OKB-1 design bureau headed by Korolyov had already created a heavy rocket capable of reaching beyond the low Earth orbit used by the Vostok program.

The impetuous Khrushchev had actually instituted two programmes, one for moon orbits and one for the actual moon landing, each headed by it's own designer. After Brezhnev had taken over power the moon program was streamlined and Korolyov made head of the entire program. And although two separate tracks were maintained for the orbits and the landing Korolyov's leadership unified the efforts.

In early 1967 when both the Americans and Soviets were gearing up for the actual moonflights disaster struck in both camps. In january a simulated launch sequence for the American Apollo project went disastrously wrong and a fire broke out killing the astronauts. And in April the parachute failed to open on a Soyuz vehicle as it returned to earth. The crash killed the cosmonauts, which included Vladimir Komarov who commanded one of the two teams selected for the moon landing.

The unmanned orbit of the moon in May of that year went ahead as scheduled, but the manned orbit was delayed until August of that year as the teams were restructured and the Soyuz crash investigated. The success of the manned orbit, and the earlier success of landing a Luna-9 capsule on the moon's surface gave the Soviets the confidence to push on with their effort. The Soviets also, erroneously, believed that the US would attempt a landing in 1968 so it would be vital to maintain the intended schedule.

After several unmanned flights of the Soyuz-7 vehicle the first manned launch was performed in April 1968. And in June the two-man crew launched an unmanned landing vehicle from lunar orbit. The moon landing was given the go-ahead and crews were prepared for the mission, the first crew would be cosmonauts Leonov Makarov and a reserve crew of Popovich and Voronov would be on standby.

It was a tense time for all involved, especially for Korolyov who was aware that an Apollo launch was scheduled for October. If all went according to plan the Soyuz-7 would be in lunar orbit in september, narrowly beating out the Americans (in fact the Apollo launch was a test flight, the Americans would not attempt a landing on the moon until the next year). The September launch did go ahead and on the 25th the landing module separated from the Soyuz7 command module and headed for the moon.

After a seemingly interminable period of radio silence a message finally came through "Cosmonaut Leonov reporting from the surface of the moon.".. Words that would immediately be spread across the globe. Leonov dedicated his mission to Yuri Gagarin the space pioneer who had died earlier that year.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in reality: Korolyov died in surgery in 1966 which was a serious setback for the moon program, which also fell out of political favor. The N1 rocket that was supposed to take the cosmonauts to the moon would also prove a failure, never even making it out of earth orbit.






Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if George Washington had enrolled in the Royal Navy? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the June 2012 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 1743, on this day on Ferry Farm, King George County, Virginia, Augustine Washington died age forty-nine. His son George inherited the former Strother property and its slaves, but instead of joining the landed gentry and becoming a planter and slaveholder, he accepted Admiral Vernon's invitation to enroll in the Royal Navy.
This post is an article from the Midshipman George Washington thread.

Midshipman George Washington #1His Uncle Joseph Ball strongly disapproved of his nephew's career choice in a letter to his sister Mary dated 19th May 1747 he wrote ~

"I understand that you are advised and have some thoughts of putting your son George to sea. I think he had better be put apprentice to a tinker, for a common sailor before the mast has by no means the common liberty of the subject; for they will press him from a ship where he has fifty shillings a month and make him take twenty-three, and cut and slash and use him like a negro, or rather like a dog. And, as to any considerable preferment in the navy, it is not to be expected, as there are always so many gaping for it here who have interest, and he has none. And if he should get to be master of a Virginia ship, (which it is very difficult to do,) a planter that has three or four hundred acres of land and three or four slaves, if he be industrious, may live more comfortably, and leave his family in better bread, than such a master of a ship can .. He must not be too hasty to be rich, but go on gently and with patience, as things will naturally go. This method, without aiming at being a fine gentleman before his time, will carry a man more comfortably and surely through the world than going to sea, unless it be a great chance indeed. I pray God keep you and yours".
~ Your loving brother, Joseph Ball.

The rank of midshipman was procured for him on board a British ship of war, and his trunk and clothes were sent on board. But when he came to take leave of his mother, she wept bitterly, and told him she felt her heart would break if he left her (pictured). Mounting his horse, George rode to the ship intending to take his trunk ashore. But destiny intervened and instead he heard the "call of his sea", stepped on board to begin a glorious career in the Royal Navy.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in authoring this article prompted by Jared Myers note about Mothers Day we refer to the book "George Washington--the Man Behind the Myths" by William Meade Stith Rasmussen et al, American Presidents and Helium. Also we have repurposed content from Wikipedia.


Readers Comment Chris Oakley commented on 2012-05-15 14:33:14 ~ Hmmmm...

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2012-05-15 19:00:43 ~ Washington definitely had patience, and knew when to fight and when to seek another opportunity (at risk of small defeat). Still, he could count himself a Virginian and want to lead an American navy. Maybe America would become a maritime nation rather than the land-dwellers we were for so long.

Readers Comment Jared Myers commented on 2012-05-15 20:02:45 ~ I agree with Jackie Rose, Benedict Arnold was the only other general I could see leading the Americans to victory. Guys like Greene and Knox would have (and did) put up a heck-of-a fight, but I can't see them winning in the end by themselves. An American Revolution with George Washington on the other side is definitely something that I'm glad didn't happen in the real world.

Readers Comment Steven Fisher commented on 2012-05-16 16:10:50 ~ I had this idea a while back actually, just never got around to writing it. Washington teams up with JPJ to take out the Brits, while Benedict Arnold leads us to victory on land.

Readers Comment Matthew Dattilo commented on 2012-05-17 15:29:04 ~ The colonies could have won their independence without Washington, but would any leader of the Continental Army have given up power as readily as Washington did? I have to wonder.

Readers Comment John Braungart commented on 2012-05-19 11:11:59 ~ Washington would NOT have been called a traitor, merely another Tory, fighting for the crown. And in this TL, I can see George Washington, appalled at the harsh treatment of the common ratings and lower-ranked officers becoming, through his efforts at reformation, the "Father of the Modern Royal Navy".

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2012-05-19 13:09:52 ~ If Washington had fought for England, Benedict Arnold might still have been disloyal to the Revolution. He had a Tory wife and nursed grievances aboout being, as he saw it, unjustly denied recognition and advancement. Even assuming another general could have commanded the Revolutionary Army as well as he did, I wonder ifany other would have had the charisma to thwart the 1782 Newburgh conspiracy, when American troops, long unpaid, were on the verge of marching on Philadelphia. Ifg that had happened, defeat might have been snatched from the jaws of victory--or even if the Revolution succeeded, America might have started off under a military junta (or "junto," as it would have been said back then).

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2012-05-19 17:34:37 ~ Washington's uncle was right about how they treated common sailors, but a midshipman was not a common sailor; they were "young gentlemen" and would not be treated as badly as ordinary sailors would be. However, life in the RN in the days of Wooden Ships and Iron Men was no piece of cake even for admirals. Washington's family wealth and connections would grease his way to some extent, but he'd still have to show he had 'what it takes' to get promoted---the RN, unlike the Army, frowned heavily on incompetent noble officers.

Readers Comment Scott Palter commented on 2012-05-20 04:18:39 ~ For Arnold to advance he needed two things: 1. the attack on Quebec succeeds and 2. he is sole victory at Saratoga This would get him equality with Gates and then Camden does the rest.

Readers Comment John Braungart commented on 2012-05-20 11:49:56 ~ Actually Arnold WAS pretty much the victor at Saratoga. But while he was laid up with his leg wound, Gates, through his political cronies, claimed the victory was his. Added to that, the attack on Quebec couldn't have succeeded because Arnold was undersupplied and really didn't have the manpower he needed to pull that campaign off properly.

Readers Comment Scott Palter commented on 2012-05-20 12:42:43 ~ @John - And yet the Quebec attack almost worked. Had Arnold been able to organize a second assault it almost assuredly would have.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if anti-slavery Liberty Party candidate James Birney was thrown from a horse twelve months earlier and had been forced to withdraw from the 1844 election? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the May 2012 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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In 1777, on this day the eleventh President of the United States, Henry Clay, Sr. (pictured) was born in Hanover County, Virginia. His father owned more than twenty-two slaves, making him part of the planter class.

Henry Clay, Sr.
11th US President
Although he received no formal legal education he "read the law" by working and studying with George Wythe, Chancellor of the Commonwealth of Virginia and a mentor to Thomas Jefferson and John Marshall, among others. His most notable client was former Vice President Aaron Burr who was indicted for planning an expedition into Spanish Territory west of the Mississippi River. Although he and his legal partner John Allen successfully defended Burr, Jefferson later convinced Clay that US District Attorney Joseph Hamilton Daviess had been right in his charges. Clay was so upset that many years later, when he met Burr again, Clay refused to shake his hand. That pivotal event would have a strange resonance with events that were still forty years into the future.

He moved to Kentucky, and was elected to serve in the General Assembly and later the Senate entering the upper House three months before he reached the constitutionally required age of thirty. In the summer of 1811, Clay was elected to the United States House of Representatives. He was chosen Speaker of the House on the first day of his first session, something never done before or since. Following a long and varied career in the US Senate, he was nominated by the Whigs against James K. Polk, the Democratic candidate.

In one of the closest contests in Presidential history, he won the General election only because of a tragic accident that forced third party candidate James Birney to withdraw from the race. Nevertheless, Clay considered the outcome to be a judgement on US territorial expansion and entered the White House determined to prevent the annexation of Texas or indeed California. British and French investors took a similiar view, and pumped money into both Republics and by the end of the decade, it was becoming possible to imagine two economically viable nations arising in the West. By the time that Clay died in June, 1852 further secessionist pressures were building in the south, and the only question was whether it would be three Americas or four.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in authoring this article we refer to Historum and Alternate History, we also repurposed content from Wikipedia which are summarised as follows ~ Henry Clay lost that election by 65 electoral votes. However, he was only 5000 votes away from winning New York's 36 electoral votes, and therefore the Presidency. James Birney ran as the anti-slavery Liberty Party candidate and got over 15000 votes in New York; it is thought that most of his votes would have gone to Clay if Birney had not been in the race.


Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2012-05-06 05:14:11 ~ FWIW, "reading law" was pretty much the usual way one became a lawyer in America at that time. The British system for barristers was nearly as informal. I don't even know if law schools as such existed then.

Readers Comment Mike Stone commented on 2012-12-08 09:26:16 ~ Polk, who defeated Clay, also owned about 20 slaves (inherited from his father) and bought more after becoming President. So it's not clear that having Clay instead would make much difference on that point, unless it somehow prevented or put off the Civil War.

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2012-12-08 19:35:32 ~ Re Jackie Rose: I'm pretty sure the slaves would have been freed eventually, even if the slaveholding South had seceded. Slavery was a dying institution in the Western world; by 1864, even Russia had freed its serfs. The only questions are when and how. If the U.S. fragmented as envisioned, however, Europeans would undoubtedly have been meddling in its politics, perhaps inciting wars to kep the American republics weak.

Readers Comment Mike McIlvain commented on 2012-12-09 02:51:19 ~ Clays compromising ways could have possibly led to some sort of extension of slavery, and the effects on Texas and California would have been long-term. Whereas the Lone Star State and Bear Flag Republic might have stayed independent for much longer periods, bringing on a different sort of mentality toward statehood, snd US policies, foreign and domestic, too.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Vienna had fallen to the Turks? muses Jackie Rose. Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s). This story was published in the May 2012 edition of Changing the Times Magazine.

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It is 1683, and the Turkish army under Grand Vizier Mustafa Pasha is advancing through Europe to expand the Ottoman empire. Having reached Austria, they are laying siege to Vienna. Its emissaries are desperately begging the other European leaders for help, only to be rejected.

Vienna Vanquished
by Jackie Rose
England, France and Spain felt sure they were too far west for a Turkish invasion. But Poland, of course, was much closer to Turkey, and therefore in more danger. As a devout Christian, King Jan III Sobieski of Poland refuses to stand by as another religion dominates the continent. He leads his Hussars to save the city, but the Turks prove too strong for them, the Polish king is killed during the desperate battle, the Turks advance through Europe and it is too late for the other countries to prepare for war. As a result, the Turks dominate Europe to this day as part of their Ottoman empire.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, what really happened: The King and his soldiers succeeded in breaking the siege and the Turks retreated from Europe.


Readers Comment Mark Taylor commented on 2012-04-20 12:40:29 ~ Doubt if they'd have been that successful.

Readers Comment H. Torrance Griffin commented on 2012-04-20 16:07:12 ~ Even at it's peak the Ottomans lacked the logistics to do more than take Vienna and perhaps some of southern Poland-Lithuania. At this point it was heading down towards it's 18th century nadir, so expect at most Muslim marcher lords holding an effectively independent Greater Hungary Of course Poland was in little better shape at this point. The big thing is if the Habsburgs are broken enough for the Bavarians to dominate Catholic Germany.

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2012-04-20 18:22:13 ~ The Ottomans were already on the decline by 1683, so the most they could do with a victory at Vienna would be to delay the inevitable. However, one side-effect (as with Hungary) of Ottoman conquest and holding of Austria might be a larger Protestant community in Austria---the reason that the Protestants lasted in Hungary was because the Ottomans held the place till after the Counter-Reformation petered out.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2012-04-23 18:43:14 ~ With the Ottomans in decline, it still took a World War to finally dissolve them. What kind of major event could see this TL's empire fall apart? Internal civil/religious war, independence movements?

Readers Comment Todayinah Ed. commented on 2012-05-05 03:24:29 ~ Interesting perspective on a decisive moment in history which makes you realise how important it is to take a broad view of what is hysterically called the norm.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if FDR had selected Bill Douglas as his Veep? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 1945, the sad, single term Presidency of Bill Douglas which began on this day was born in a smear that ended in a debacle.

The sad, single term presidency of Bill DouglasFDR had sent two names to the Chicago convention in 1944 - he would take either Truman or Douglas in place of the discredited Wallace. Douglas's liberal backers solved the problem by leaking supposed police reports showing that rather than being associated with the Pendergast machine but clean, Truman had in fact been a bag man for the mobbed up KC Democrats. It was a lie. Truman had been put up to keep an exurban office in friendly hands but was himself clean [the same could not be said of his friends and associates]. However with liberal prodding the Chicago papers ran with the story long enough to sink him at the convention. Needless to say he never forgave Douglas or the liberals, remaining a persistent critic from his Senate seat.

A new article by Scott PalterThe US public may not have realized that in reelecting FDR in 1944 they were electing a walking corpse but the key players in the Democratic party were quite aware. Labor and the liberals knew they could work with Douglas. The urban bosses and Dixie had preferred Truman. When Douglas's presidency turned sour this split would manifest itself. Douglas offered milder terms to Japan at Potsdam breaking with FDR's Unconditional Surrender. He was still not mild enough to get the Japanese militarists to face reality. It took two atom bombs for them to see the light. Dougals's liberal supporters never fully forgave him for using those weapons. Wallace from his perch in the Commerce Department led the critics.

The postwar demobilization and conversion to civilian production was a debacle. The unions ran wild with the country repeatedly paralyzed by strikes. Truman called for decisive presidential action, especially against the railroad strike. Douglas would not break with the unions. Inflation skyrocketed and the piecemeal removal of controls made matters worse. Douglas's attempts to keep Lend Lease going took a good part of the blame for the mess. The UK was bankrupt and Europe and Japan were starving. So the need was there but the American public begrudged the expense. The war was over and they wanted to forget the world existed.

Douglas's policy towards Communism exacerbated matters. Trying to avoid a break with the Democratic Party's left, Douglas abandoned Chiang, accepted partitions of Iran and Norway, allowed the Soviets to force Turkey to part with territory and bases and watched Greece torn apart by civil war. He kept trying to find a way to work with his old left allies internally and refused to accept that many Americans regarded domestic Communists as traitors.

This crystallized in the 1946 elections. Douglas campaigned for his party on conciliation with the Soviets, an end to segregation and extension on the New Deal. The Republicans captured both houses of Congress and a host of state legislatures. Most of the south walked out of the party to form independent state Democratic parties dedicated to segregation and white supremacy. The victorious Republican slogan was ?had enough'.

Faced with a heavily Republican Congress Douglas was forced to make some compromises. He was forced to break with the Soviets. The Marshal Plan to rebuild Europe was launched. Chiang was supported on Taiwan. Greece was partitioned and the rump of Turkey was given large scale US aid although the Soviet bases at Gallipoli remained. A German Federal Republic was formed out of the allied occupation zones in Germany and Austria but at the price of giving up the allied sectors of Berlin and Vienna. Macarthur was replaced in Japan by Collins and the semi-New Deal experiments were ended. Instead Japan was rebuilt as a bulwark against Soviet power. Several million Korean refugees fled there when Kim destroyed South Korea [Douglas had evacuated the US occupation force rather than sully his hands dealing with the authoritarian and unpleasant Rhee regime]. Douglas also danced on Palestine. The UN proved unable to approve either partition or an extension of the British mandate so the British withdrew and the place descended into chaos out of which an Israeli state was born with little international recognition beyond the Soviet Block.

Domestically the high points of the new Congress were an anti-lynching bill [which in turn required a large force of US marshals to enforce] and Douglas's desegregation of the armed forces. The cost of these advances were major race riots in several dozen cities as the white public rebelled against being pushed and the newly empowered blacks pushed back. The Taft-Hartley Act was met by another round of massive strikes, these overtly political. Douglas sealed his political fate by always siding with the unions.

The 1948 election was an anti-climax. Despite all the coddling, Wallace ran for President anyway. Strom Thurmond ran a regional states rights campaign in Dixie. Douglas and Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota ran as avid New Dealers but the public had had enough. Thurmond carried 14 southern and border states. Dewey carried the rest with 50 percent of the vote. The icing on the cake came two weeks before the election when Stalin's armies marched into Belgrade to bring Yugoslavia back into the Soviet orbit. Exposed as impotent at home and abroad, Douglas went off into retirement leaving the Democratic Party to wish they had chosen Truman.


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Todayinah Editor Editor says, in our timeline: When, in early 1944, President Franklin D. Roosevelt decided not to actively support the renomination of Vice President Henry A. Wallace at the party's national convention, a shortlist of possible replacements was drafted. The names on the list included former Senator and Supreme Court Justice James F. Byrnes of South Carolina, former Senator (and future Supreme Court justice) Sherman Minton and former Governor and High Commissioner to the Philippines Paul McNutt of Indiana, House Speaker Sam Rayburn of Texas, Senator Alben W. Barkley of Kentucky, Senator Harry S Truman of Missouri, and Douglas. Five days before the vice presidential nominee was to be chosen at the convention, July 15, Committee Chairman Robert E. Hannegan received a letter from Roosevelt stating that his choice for the nominee would be either "Harry Truman or Bill Douglas". After releasing the letter to the convention on July 20, the nomination went without incident, and Truman was nominated on the second ballot.


Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2010-10-26 12:35:35 ~ In actuality, of course, the Japanese were seeking peace as far back as the spring of 1945. Truman, however, was dognmatic on the issue of unconditional surrender--until, ironically, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, when he decided he could afford to drop what had earlier been a non-negotiable demand: the abolition of the Japanese imperial system. Hirohito would keep his throne, albeit as a figurehead (he largely was one anyway) and eventually pass it to his son Akihito. As for China, even inout history, aftr the fall of Peking/Beijing/Peiping (take your pick), Republicans bellowed that Truman had "abandoned" Chiang and "lost" China and that there had to be a pony in there somewhere (treason, that is). And it's unlikely that a President Douglas, armed with the Bomb, would have accepted partitions of Iran and Norway. In the case of Iran, in 1946 Truman explicitly threatened the Soviets with nuiclear attack if they attempted to enforce a partition. Douglas might not have been so blunt, but I don't doubt the threat would be there. By '46, Douglas would have had more reason to fear the right than the left in domestic politics.

Readers Comment Jeff Provine commented on 2010-10-26 15:49:42 ~ This would hand the Soviets much higher ground in the Cold War. If they threw around the extra weight, America in its impotent position would either bow and get rolled over or make a firm stand, possibly leading to war.

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2010-10-26 19:00:53 ~ I never heard of this guy. I wonder what would have happened if the real truth about the God-King's health had gotten out to the US public?

Readers Comment Scott Palter commented on 2010-10-27 00:23:18 ~ Truman never changed the Japanese terms. Japan did so unilaterally. When the US public went wild for joy at hearing the news Truman let it slide. It was negotiation by radio broadcast. Truman's problem was he felt he lacked the political strength to change FDR's terms. He knew quite well he was an accidental President with no mandate. Douglas was to the left of Truman and to the right of Wallace but closer to Wallace which is where I hypothesized his positions from - two thirds of the way from Truman to Wallace 1945-46 and half and half after the 1946 elections.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Martin Luther King, Jr. listened to his advisers before the Battle of Birmingham? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 1963, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference effectively forfeited control of the civil rights campaign with Martin Luther King's refusal to violate the injunction of racist police commissioner Eugene "Bull" Conner by leading a march in Birmingham, Alabama.

MLK loses the Battle of BirminghamDespite his depiction in the press as an American Gandhi, many of his youthful admirers doubted whether in fact MLK had the resolve to "break the back of segregation all over the nation". This perception had begun with his refusal to join the May 1961 Freedom Rides, and cemented by leaving jail with a bond following the unsuccessful mass protests in Albany, Georgia which MLK himself dismissed as "Our protest was so vague that we got nothing, and the people were left very depressed and in despair".

The problem was that the bondsman had refused to furnish bail, and the SCLC lacked the funds to release their own protestors. King was informed that "We need a lot of money. We need it now. You are the only one who has the contacts to get it. If you go to jail, we are lost. The battle of Birmingham is lost". MLK took the advice. And so the pressure that had been successfully applied to white and business community leaders by the sit-ins was allowed to dissapate. King had lost the Battle of Birmingham. Just a few hours after King announced his decision at the Garston Hotel, he received the wholley unexpected news that the entertainer Harry Bellafonte had raised sufficient funds to cover the bond payments, but by then, it was too late.

The leadership of the civil rights campaign would soon pass to more radical figures, one of whom had spent a great deal of time in jail himself. That man was Malcolm X.


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Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2010-04-06 02:55:03 ~ If leadership of thje civil rights movement had passed to radicals like Malcolm X in the early sixties, it's likely the civil rights legislation of the middle of that decade wouldn't have passed. King's grass-roots pressure helped back up President Johnson's efforts in Congress; Malcolm X in the same position would likely have been too polarizing.

Facebook Comment Comment from Cassie Clark on Facebook: A brilliant man!

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2010-04-06 06:31:14 ~ A lot of the Civil Rights movements' success was because their public face was someone like MLK. My learned colleague Mr. Lipps is correct---someone like Malcolm X or H. Rap Brown would have stiffened white resistance and made anti-CR moves seem more reasonable.

Readers Comment H. Torrance Griffin commented on 2010-04-06 18:50:24 ~ I have to concur with Eric and Eric. The "We Want In" tone of the Civil Rights movement undercut a lot of the opposition.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if the US Constitution had been fixed before the Civil War broke out? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 1861, on this day the Confederate bombardment of Fort Sumter forced the US Congress to dismiss President James Buchanan's administration less than one month after resuming office.

Pilot of the StormThe scenario that the legislative arm of government might need to fire the executive had not been foreseen by the Founding Fathers, who instead of crowning George Washington, had proclaimed that the US Constitution was King. But the decision to place their trust in a sacred, but rigid and unbending rule of law had proven as dangerous as reliance on a monarch because it required flexible intepretation by a strong-willed Chief Magistrate. And the trouble was, a weak succession of Presidents since Andrew Jackson had exposed major flaws in the American system of government.

By the mid 1850s the country was heading for Civil War, unchecked by the bold and imaginative leaders that might preserve the Union. And so Walter Bagehot was invited from England, a man of letters widely considered to be the leading expert on constitutional matters of the day. Bagehot's committee proposed a series of jaw-dropping recommendations, but the central proposal was undisputed. Because America's fixed term system surely did embed apathy in the body politic. And the scenario foreseen by Bagehot, a national crisis in which a "pilot of the calm" would need to be quickly replaced by a "pilot of the storm" arrived soon enough.


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Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2010-03-14 07:25:10 ~ having something like the UK Parliamentary system would be an interesting change...I wonder what else would have been different?

Readers Comment Eric Lipps commented on 2010-03-14 12:30:05 ~ I'm wondering how Buchanan got reelected in the first place.




Todayinah Editor Editor says, what if Robert E. Lee had died at the Harper's Ferry Raid in 1859? Please note that the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the views of the author(s).

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In 1861, the Army of North Virginia seized the armoury at Harper's Ferry, pausing only briefly to pay respects at the graveside of Robert E. Lee, the late Brevet Colonel of the 2nd U.S. Cavalry. Had murderous abolitionist John Brown not shot him dead during the infamous raid two years before, Lee himself might well have been in command the Confederate Forces, leading a conventional invasion of the North in his own audacious style.

Unrelenting WarFortunately for the Southern States, Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson (pictured) was in charge, a uniquely gifted officer who did not believe that the heroic acceptance of battlefield casaulties would force a decision. Instead, Jackson's strategy of "Unrelenting War" was to bypass Union armies and strike at Northern weaknesses, its undefended factories, farms and railroads. His genius was to realise that the Confederacy, with only a third of the population, and eleventh percent of the national infrastructure, needed to fight an unconventional war if it was to prevail, by breaking the back of Northern morale.

"to [make the North] understand what it will cost them to hold the South in the Union at the bayonet's point"CSA President Jefferson Davis preferred a defensive approach, foolishly believing that Great Britain or France would intervene to guarantee the supply of cotton for their mills. However the European Nations were carrying heavy stocks of cotton, and he had been forced to reconsider Jackson's assertion that the North might be forced "to understand what it will cost them to hold the South in the Union at the bayonet's point". That difference of opinion had cost Davis the Southern leadership, and his successor, Albert Sidney Johnson authorised the new policy of "unrelenting war".

And so the Army of North Virginia headed north, intent on seizing the major rail-heads at Baltimore and Philadelphia. Such an assault was of great surprise to US President Abraham Lincoln, whose chief fear was that Jackson would seize Washington. By deploying his forces to protect the capitol, he unwillingly allowed Jackson to strike at the North's supply and communications.


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Readers Comment Chris Oakley commented on 2009-12-25 03:24:11 ~ Scary....

Readers Comment Eric Oppen commented on 2009-12-25 03:24:23 ~ Do they have a different POTCS, or did you mean "President Davis?" It might be in this TL that Albert Sidney Johnson' s the big CS hero, along with Stonewall. Stonewall would have probably liked this strategy, if only to keep the fighting and disruption in the other side's territory rather than in the CSA itself...Davis wouldn't have, but Davis was a fussbudget and a micromanager. Fixed - thanks. Ed

Readers Comment Scott Palter commented on 2009-12-25 03:49:55 ~ Jackson was bumped from brigadeer to division after First Bull Run. The Valley 'Army' [actually a corps] sort of happened. Davis would never have considered Jackson for army level command. Davis was FAR too into the old army seniority list. So when Joe Johnson takes a bullet at Fair Oaks the probable replacement absent Lee would have been Bragg. Bragg loses Richmond and the war in 1862.

Readers Comment Todayinah Ed. commented on 2009-12-25 04:01:45 ~ All true, I've taken some dialobical liberties with the timescales to simplify the tale, author's privelege :-)

Facebook Comment Comment from Stoney Compton on Facebook: I don't think Jefferson Davis would have picked Stonewall Jackson (pictured) in his place. And Lee wasn't the first choice of the Confederacy - they called him "Granny" Lee at first. As to whom they would have chosen, damn good question, I'll have to think on this one.

Readers Comment David Atwell commented on 2009-12-25 21:18:20 ~ I've got to agree with several of the others... Jackson, in 1861, is simply too junior. As Scott said, he was only in charge of a brigade, at first, then moved to divisional command later, & finally corps command. And you can thank Lee for these promotions. So if Lee isn't around to promote Jackson, especially given his pre-war situaton, I seriously doubt Jackson would be leading the ANV in 1861. We're really talking either Joe Johnston or AS Johnson as GOC ANV before anyone else.


In 2002, the CIA informs President Gore that it believes al-Zawahiri is now in northern Pakistan, possibly under the protection of dissident elements of that country's military and secret police.

Bin Laden Lives by Eric LippsWhen the President asks what can be done to root him out, he is told that a covert operation within Pakistan is the best available option, but that it may take time, since the terrorist leader's exact location is not known.

A reluctant Gore authorizes such an operation, which will be codenamed Operation Mountain Strike.


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On this day in 1959, the St. Louis Hawks stunned the Oilers by coming back from a twenty-point fourth quarter deficit to beat Houston in overtime 120-114 in the third game of the 1959 NBA Western Division finals; the Hawks went on to win the series three games to two, sending the Oilers home without a title for the second straight year.

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In 1985, the body of Dmitri Kaprinsky, alias D.B. Cooper, was turned over to the Soviet embassy in Washington for burial back in Kaprinsky's native Ukraine.                  

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In 1981, the space shuttle Columbia lifts off from Cape Canaveral in the first orbital mission for the fleet of reusable space vehicles whose creation was first authorized soon after the success of Apollo 11.

President Kennedy watches with relief as the Columbia climbs into orbit. Confidential reports have suggested a number of potentially fatal vulnerabilities in the shuttles' design and construction, which he has already ordered NASA to address as soon as possible.

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In 1953, Rep. Philip J. Philbin is elected to the House of Representatives as a Republican in a special election, retaining the seat he had held for ten years as a Democrat.

It is a startling development in heavily Democratic Massachusetts. Rep. Philbin is helped, however, by the conservative character of his central Massachusetts district, by the quiet endorsement of a number of Catholic clergymen, and by the foreshortened schedule of the special election, which makes it difficult for any opponent to be mobilized against him.

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In 1864, on this day the Battle of Fort Pillow, also known as the Fort Pillow Massacre, particularly in the North, was fought on the Mississippi River in Henning, Tennessee, during the American Civil War. The battle has caused great controversy about whether a massacre of surrendered African-American troops was conducted or condoned by Confederate Major General Nathan Bedford Forrest. Military historian David J. Eicher wrote, 'Fort Pillow marked one of the bleakest, saddest events of American military history.' At the 2126 Peace and Reconciliation Trials held by the Reconstructed United Nations, Forrest pled guilty to conducting the massacres.

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In 1998, on Easter Sunday, the followers of Arthur Pendrake flood the UK's Catholic churches, while the Church of England stands remarkably empty. Prime Minister Oliver Pembroke and the Queen herself sit in a church with only other governmental officials and a few media representatives, while Arthur takes in a Welsh service in a church that is overflowing with worshipers. No violence is recorded, although there is an abundance of tension in cities where Catholic churches stand near C of E institutions. After this rather stark illustration of how thin their support is, the prime minister and the queen discuss what can be done about this 'little Welshman,' as the queen calls Pendrake.

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In 1891, Major Mark Wainwright receives a telegram from Washington with orders to take command of as many Missouri militiamen as he can organize, and head back into Topeka to rescue former President Grover Cleveland. Major Wainwright begins gathering men and planning his assault. Meanwhile, in Topeka, the Farmer's Council deliberates what Cleveland said to them the day before, and what they can do to stave off the US forces that they are certain are on the way to crush them.

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